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We're on tornado watch here, a big storm is about to unfold.

Some Kim DotCom news: The FBI may have fedexed clones of the MegaUpload computers to the U.S. against the instructions of a New Zealand judge. DotCom's lawyers say the FBI may have "gazumped" the Crown. (Is that like "hoodwinked?"

Also, Judge David Harvey at the Auckland District Court, who is handling the extradition case said in an order last week:

"the US is attempting to utilise concepts from civil copyright context as a basis for the application of criminal copyright liability".

[More...]

Judge Harvey's 82 page order granted Kim DotCom and the other defendants access to a lot of the Crown's (read Feds') evidence. It also thoroughly discusses the extradition and says it is important to note, among other things, that extradition is being sought not just for the offenses specified in the treaty (like copyright offenses) but for offenses under the Transnational Organized Crime Convention of 2000, which is allowed under 101(b) of New Zealand's Extradition Act. But he says the criminal copyright charges are the "apex" of the U.S. case for extradition. He concludes with a three page list of items the Crown must disclose to the defendants.

Megaupload has filed a motion to dismiss the Virginia case on lack of personal jurisdiction -- it isn't in the U.S. and hasn't been served.

Kim DotCom and the other defendanats also filed lengthy motions yesterday seeking release of seized assets for attorneys' fees. A hearing will be held June 29.

Another federal judge rules DOMA is unconstitutional.

The Judge in George Zimmerman's case has set a new bond hearing for June 29.

That's it for me for a bit, this is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    One of America's... (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by desertswine on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:50:35 PM EST
    great authors, Ray Bradbury, has passed away.  I still remember, when I read it as a kid, the impact that "The Martian Chronicles" had upon me. I was just enthralled.

    I was always (5.00 / 3) (#136)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:39:11 PM EST
    a Fahrenheit 451 fan.

    Parent
    Huge (none / 0) (#168)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:18:49 AM EST
    One of the really great novels.

    Parent
    Fahreheit 451 is a great book. (none / 0) (#186)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 06:10:12 PM EST
    My favorite Bradbury book, though, has always been Dandelion Wine. It is such a sweet and simple book, and I love it.

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    Having insomnia (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:33:10 AM EST
    Get on facebook to see what's going on, and in the margins I'm often given stata on my friends.  Tonight it says that two of my friends "like" Sarah Palin.  Really guys?  I know some of you are Conservatives, but really?  Sarah Palin?  Just let that freak flag fly.

    They must not like "union thugs." (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 07:08:09 AM EST
    The automatic (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:23:48 AM EST
    casual, now pretty much universal use of that term by GOPers just Makes Me Nuts.  People like Palin, as you note, never say the word "union" without the word "thugs."  And it's almost always "big unions."

    It's just shameful.

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    Dunno about the SEIU, but... (none / 0) (#176)
    by Gandydancer on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 07:41:34 AM EST
    ...I see Teamster regularly and they still have to print several pages each issue about the disciplinary actions they force Hoffa Jr to take against BAs who are mobbed up or embezzeling and such... That's not what Palin is referring to, but she's not entirely wrong.

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    Err.. the second "they" is... (none / 0) (#177)
    by Gandydancer on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 07:45:10 AM EST
    ...the Office of the Trustee or whatever the JD appointee who still supervises the Teamsters Union is called.

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    She lives in Montana now (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:55:40 AM EST
    I bet she hates Schweitzer.  Her husband is a college instructor.  I don't know him, have never met him so don't know what he teaches or at what level.  I just always assumed that collegy people would swear off Palin.  But then I must reflect back on my assigned college advisor and embrace that that isn't always the case.

    Parent
    Speaking of FB, go to DK and your (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:19:29 PM EST
    comment re radio and click on your user name.  Surprised?  

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    I'm not understanding (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:25:09 PM EST
    Please tell me it doesn't connect to my facebook

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    Yep. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:34:56 PM EST
    Wow (5.00 / 0) (#93)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:13:49 PM EST
    That's kinduva big thing for Kos to fail to disclose.  I don't know if they have it buried somewhere in their terms, but something like that should be prominently posted.

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    Oh crap (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:35:32 PM EST
    Big failure to disclose by DK. (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:36:53 PM EST
    Thank you for providing me ... (5.00 / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:10:35 PM EST
    ... with yet another excuse to not visit the Kos anymore. The ones about the sexism and Hillary derangment from 2008 were getting a little dated.

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    Some time ago I noticed when I logged (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:09:13 PM EST
    in it would tell me what on Dailykos my facebook friends had liked.  Must be something with cookies because I never logged into Dailykos through facebook.  I should have known better and flushed my cookies regularly.

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    LOL (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:46:24 PM EST
    you are in trouble now!

    That is why I never use my FB account to log into anything else!

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    I used it to log into etsy (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:08:46 PM EST
    not very long ago. Because I was going to put some of my jewelry up on etsy and it just seemed to make sense to link an etsy to my facebook.  Is that were I went horribly wrong?  I found an etsy app on my facebook apps but 75% of the apps on my facebook I am unfamiliar with and going through them and getting rid of them now.

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    I don't know etsy.... (none / 0) (#100)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:33:23 PM EST
    I would think that the only way DK would get your FB link is if you logged into DK using your FB account at some point. Maybe you did once for convenience or something. I was recently tempted because I could not remember my DK user name.

    I bet the disclosure stuff is in the FB agreements though, not the DK. Like, if you log into various sites with your FB name, you are giving them the right to grab the info.

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    Nope, never did (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:37:35 PM EST
    It connected me some other way

    Parent
    Looks like the DK radio comment (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:38:39 PM EST
    section has log in options.  One is "anonymous".  

    Parent
    Josh was killing me though when I was (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:17:01 PM EST
    listening to a podcast I guess.  I couldn't get anything live up if it was there to get.  He had read over my shoulder though when everyone was arguing about the Zimmerman trial a few weeks ago, and he gasped once and said, "Mom, someone on here is calling you uneducated."  I said, "That's okay, it's the internet."

    So he's listening to the podcast for a little while and he says to me, "How come they're not all fighting today?"  From the mouths of babes :)

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    They do seem to all talk (none / 0) (#155)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:24:32 PM EST
    at once and I had no clue who was talking.

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    There was a second option (none / 0) (#150)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:13:18 PM EST
    Besides anon and registering, where you could choose a name and I went with my blog name.  I think I had facebook open in a different window when I did that though.  And I had downloaded a player from the radio site.

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    Almost all the newspapers on (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:16:22 PM EST
    line apparently want your fb link if you want to comment. So I don't.

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    I have liked and shared diaries on my facebook (none / 0) (#106)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:40:11 PM EST
    while signed into DK in another window.  But I was logged into DK under my DK login with a very very different password.

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    Thank you for letting me know (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:36:29 PM EST
    Why don't you deactivate ASAP. That may (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:37:18 PM EST
    help.  

    Parent
    Done (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:00:23 PM EST
    Sent them a message too about it.

    Parent
    I emailed BTD too. (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:23:05 PM EST
    Thank you!! (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:27:45 PM EST
    I've looked about (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:55:15 PM EST
    and I think that's what I have to do until I figure out how to delink it.

    Parent
    What is DK ? (none / 0) (#84)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:58:06 PM EST
    Dailykos (5.00 / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    I have a user name there that is not my real name.  I wondered if that wasn't going to eventually happen because lines have grown fuzzy between different sites.

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    Todd is a college instructor?? (none / 0) (#171)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:24:54 AM EST
    In what, pray tell?

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    I'm sorry...not Palin, my friend (none / 0) (#179)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 08:14:15 AM EST
    from my youth.  The one who owns up to the whole world that she likes Sarah Palin on facebook.

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    For some reason, facebook just (5.00 / 5) (#10)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:01:52 AM EST
    bugs the crap out of me; I have a page, mainly because my kids insisted, but I rarely look at it or post on it.  Maybe I just don't care about the inane details of people's lives - oh, you're going to the store to look for new flip-flops?  Stop the presses!  

    Yeesh.

    And somehow I ended up with friends I don't even know - I think they are friends of out-of-town family members with whom I am friends - but they post incessantly and stupidly and often vulgarly - complete with pictures - so today I just decided to unfriend them.  Will they know?  I have no idea - but since they don't know me, I kind of doubt they will care any more than I do - which is not at all.

    Maybe I will sound like a real dinosaur, but people seem to be increasingly not present in their own lives - they are texting or facebook-ing, glued to technology and believing they are connected to people and oblivious to their own presence.  If that makes sense.

    And yes, here I am "talking" to people via that same technology...oh, the irony!


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    I know what you're on about.... (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:07:13 AM EST
    a brave new world with blurred lines between reality and virtual reality, our true selves and our online selves...or something like that.

    fwiw I think Facebook is a past its prime trend on the downswing, I'd be very suprised if it isn't an irrelevant myspace equivalent within 5 years.  All things must pass.

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    The tech (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:40:01 AM EST
    people are already talking about how facebook is going to be replaced with something else but I've already forgotten exactly what they said it was. Linked in is another thing that's supposed to be "big" but I don't understand why. It's not like my friends are going to get me a job nor are people that I used to work with going to get me a job.

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    I think I heard the same... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:55:00 AM EST
    the geek squad says mobile devices are the next (current?) big thing and facebook doesn't lend itself to that medium as well as it does the old-fashioned internet on a pc or laptop.  I've also read hipsters, the guardians of chic, are saying facebook is soooo 2007 and are already moving on to hipper pastures.

    I really don't know, as usual Donnie is out of his element...I still socialize in the natural world, Talkleft excluded;)

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    I would disagree with that assessment (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:43:07 AM EST
    I use FB a lot more on my mobile devices than I do on my computer. I rarely take the time to sit at   the computer to so something just to kill time, but I will do it on my phone if I am in line or need a break at work.

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    Something about the ads (none / 0) (#174)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:32:47 AM EST
    I suppose they'll figure it out eventually, but the ads don't work on mobile, or something.  FB survives on ad revenue, and the number of users is only useful to them if they can be sold to advertisers.

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    I don't know...for me LinkinIn is more (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:40:37 AM EST
    important. All the jobs I have gotten since I was 23 have been from friends' referrals.

    I'm fairly active on Facebook with a few friends and family. I do like to see the pictures. My friends and family are good about keeping the status updates entertaining, if not always earth-shattering. For the ones that I don't need to hear so much from, I set their setting to show me as few updates as possible.

    the question I have about FB is : does anyone ever buy things based on the ads on FB? No one I know.  I don't see how their business model is going to work, so I do see a demise in store once advertisers figure that out.

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    I don't think advertising... (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:35:51 PM EST
    works much at all anymore...tv, print, radio...but especially so on the web.

    We're at the point now where almost everybody but the real old-timers has been bombarded with advertising their whole life...it's become background noise now, totally ignored.  I think we've gone full circle back to word of mouth being the only advertising worth a damn.  

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    If you're talking about people, not (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:03:52 PM EST
    sheeple, there's some truth to what you say, kdog, but let me give you a couple of quotes, one from Adolph Hitler:

     

    But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.

    Now here's Joseph Goebbels:

    Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right... We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths.

    Then there's Noam Chomsky

    [In] Democratic societies ... the state can't control behavior by force. It can to some extent, but it's much more limited in its capacity to control by force. Therefore, it has to control what you think. ... One of the ways you control what people think is by creating the illusion that there's a debate going on, but making sure that that debate stays within very narrow margins. Namely, you have to make sure that both sides in the debate accept certain assumptions, and those assumptions turn out to be the propaganda system. As long as everyone accepts the propaganda system, then you can have a debate.

    And finally Juvenal, the Roman poet:

    panem et circenses
    ... In Spain, the intellectuals used the phrase "Pan y toros" (bread and bullfighting) to describe it...

    Advertising works. It sets up the framework by which reality can be viewed.  Propaganda is just a specifically directed form of advertising.

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    I hear ya... (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:12:52 PM EST
    I guess it still works to convince us we need "stuff", on an almost subliminal level.

    But to buy a specific brand? I think manufacturers are wasting their money big-time, sorry Madison Ave.

    Or maybe more likely, I'm just a weirdo and it does still work to get normal shepple to buy Bounty at 50 cents more a roll than the no-frills.

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    just an enlightened weirdo.. (none / 0) (#124)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:54:46 PM EST
    ..unfortunately, it DOES work..

    these Madison Ave effs and their paymasters spend gazillions more researching, in very methodical, insidiously scientific ways whether advertising works, how it works, and how to make it work better..

    And I love (not) this encourage-kids-to-nag-their-parents approach that I've heard marketers blithely discuss in the last few years. One can't help but wonder how many more cases of child abuse have been, at least partially, the result of this mentality..

    I'm with the late Bill Hicks on the social value of marketers and their 'research' collegues..Unfortunately most of them are as non-reflective and unaware as the the people they're attempting to manipulate..

    And of course, underlying it all is the cuthroat alls-fair-in-love-war-and-business mentality our business schools push..

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    You're probably right... (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:33:27 PM EST
    but I wouldn't be surprised if the marketing scammers are smarter than you think, and are really scamming those they are selling their scams too. GM just got hip to the con, cancelling their facebook advertising campaign because they (wisely, imo) realized it wasn't helping to sell anymore cars. Best way to sell more cars is to make the best cars, not to pay through the nose for the "best" ad campaign.

    I see it at my job too, one manufacturer spends all this cash sponsoring a Nascar car and having stupid contests to win a Corvette and sh*t, I can't say any of that ever helped me sell a water heater. Good quality, a good price, and fast delivery sells water heaters...only some MBA who couldn't sell a bottle of water to man dying of thirst could come up with that crap.

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    fortunately a lot (5.00 / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:44:11 PM EST
    of people sense on some level that all the marketing frou-frou is probably compensation for a lack of quality..And some will reject the product just because they resent the insult to their intelligence. Probably the same reason so many people don't vote.

    On the other hand, somebody somewhere managed to convince a HELL of a lot of people in this country that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks. And (the same?) people will still foot the bill for a televangelist's corporate jet..

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    Thanks for the Bill Hicks (none / 0) (#161)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 06:59:12 PM EST
    reference.

    You must be going for that anti-marketing market.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#17)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:42:01 AM EST
    I've had a couple of Informational Interviews with people I connected with on LinkedIn.  I had a mutual contact "introduce" us and I talked to these people I might never have met.  Now, no job has come as of yet, but I still look around there every once in a while.

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    Glad to see (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:39:49 AM EST
    that it's working somewhat for you. I have had nothing but people asking me to be a "contact" which is fine but I don't think I even have my complete profile filled out.

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    That may be why (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:32:55 PM EST
    you haven't really had any meaningful LinkedIn interaction.  A lot of recruiters use LinkedIn to find candidates who may be passively looking.  I have received invitations to apply for open positions based solely on my profile.  If you have the right key words in your description, your profile will appear in searches done by recruiters looking for people with your skills.

    I highly recommend you complete your profile.  Even if you're not looking now, odds are you might in the future.  It's also better to update your profile when you're not looking.  Too many profile updates and the powers that be at your job (who are connected to you on LinkedIn) will wonder if you are looking...

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    I use it (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CST on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:13:26 AM EST
    but it's definitely changed.

    I have a lot of international friends from college I would never have kept in touch with otherwise.  I like seeing photos of their Indian weddings, german beer fests, etc...  Also, the biggest reason I use it now is because of my dad.  He was the one who never had facebook, thought it was stupid.  But once he moved overseas for a year he's on it constantly, posting photos, looking at photos, playing words with friends.  And because of that my mom is also on it a lot more posting family photos and such.

    It's changed from what it use to be, but I think it definitely still has a use.  One thing I've noticed is that my college and highschool friends are on it less frequently, but the quality of the postings have gone up.  There are some people who abuse it, but it's easy to just block/delete them.

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    Evidence of decline... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:36:38 AM EST
    everybody's mom & dad, grandma & grandpa even, got an account. Sh*t Mitt Romney, the walking talking anti-cool, has an account...they're finished! ;)

    But don't let my quasi-luddite arse rain on the parade...party on facebook people, it just ain't for me.  Talkleft is plenty virtual socializing for my taste, my brick and mortar friends know where to find me, in the brick and mortar world. Spend too much time staring at screens as it is.

    Besides, keeping in constant contact leaves no time to start to miss somebody. Abscence makes the heart grow fonder.

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CST on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:42:06 AM EST
    it's not cool anymore.  Personally I don't necessarily find that to be a bad thing.  For me, it's more like it finally found a purpose.

    The problem is my brick and morter friends/family are all over the d@mn place.  Globalization is a funny thing.  Everyone can go everywhere, but no one wants to leave anything behind.  Facebook provides a way to try and hold on to a piece of one place while being someplace else.  Not saying it's a good thing necessarily, but it's definitely appealing.

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    Seems to me... (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:50:13 AM EST
    email/text/phone/old-fashoned letter can handle all that, no?  

    If current trends continue, I wonder if we will evolve as a species to where we are all mutes who can't write with a pen within a couple thousand years, if we're still here at all.  Newborns will be issued iphones in the maternity ward, and go straight from cooing to texting.  Once they invent the app that converts thought to text, it's all over;)

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    yeah, speech to text is soooo cumbersome! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:03:56 PM EST
    Can't wait for the thought-to-text!

    I am a believer in the old fashioned ways too, but trying to keep in touch mothers of 4 that I went to college with became too hard. I never know when a good time is to call, and they don't have time to take the initiative. They can jot a couple of lines on FB, and at least it is a way to keep in at least superficial contact.

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    Just for you (none / 0) (#64)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:32:21 PM EST
    You know what Zuckerberg's (or maybe it was a disciple`s) wet dream is? Everybody's mind an open, connected, and always turned on network. In other words, everyone knows what everyone else is thinking, feeling, etc. The ultimate social network. The end of deceit.....Utopian Bliss.

    (anyone's seen my barf bag?)


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    See now that is not acceptable (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:44:47 PM EST
    I only want to share what I want to share. I even hate that 'share the music you are currently listening too' stuff. Nobodys GD business!

    Parent
    Ah, rugged conformity & Utopian Groupthink (none / 0) (#81)
    by christinep on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:54:42 PM EST
    that's it for me too (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:00:56 PM EST
    far flung family and friends, and I hate to lose anybody!

    Parent
    Same here. Though I have (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:02:53 PM EST
    precluded a couple over-posters from my newsfeed.  

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    I keep telling myself that (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:19:04 PM EST
    I'm going to hide that crazy guy who teaches at the Fort Rucker  officer college, but if I did that I would miss just how crazy some people are.  During my insomnia he had up a slam leveled at our Do Nothing Senate in the Fed government and then listed all of Scott Walkers glowing accomplishments before he was saddled with a do nothing Senate :)

    Get this too, this guy, he is a civilian employee now.  He is enjoying many work protections because the GS employees have a Union, but they call something different :)  My husband calls it the Union though, as it is who calls him up angry with him when he is angry with the civilian employees under him :)

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    Funny (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:15:20 PM EST
    A couple days ago Romney had his Hotmail account hacked.  Hotmail, WTF is he using AltaVista and Netscape too ?

    A kazillionaire politician is using Hotmail, that makes no sense on like 10 levels.  Apparently the hacker guessed his favorite pet, which just happens to be Seamus who was infamous for s**tting himself while on top the family cruiser.

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    You have got to be kidding me (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:19:48 PM EST
    I could have hacked Romney?

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    I hope (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:33:35 PM EST
    you used protection.

    Parent
    No kidding (5.00 / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:34:59 PM EST
    He's not shooting blanks :)

    Parent
    hey (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CST on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:20:57 PM EST
    At least its not AOL!

    Parent
    Hey now... (none / 0) (#99)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:29:33 PM EST
    I resemble that remark, I'm still rockin' hotmail;)  


    Parent
    cell phone "dad's cell stone." Kids these days have no respect.

    Parent
    Earthlink??? (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:15:20 PM EST
    I didn't know they were still in business, I used to get my dial-up service from Earthlink.

    Parent
    I think I got my earthlink email address in about 1994 or 5...

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    Sh*t... (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:37:14 PM EST
    I wasn't even close to being online in 1994/95...I was still typing my high school papers on a typewriter...albeit an electric typewriter.

    I remember when a friend first explained the whole internet thing to me...and I made fun of him.  The joke's on me;)

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    I'm on earthlink too (none / 0) (#133)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:30:04 PM EST
    I have about 4 addresses for various things....

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    From your mouth (none / 0) (#173)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:30:34 AM EST
    to God's ears.

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    What's wrong with you? (5.00 / 6) (#14)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:39:01 AM EST
    Don't you care if I get pink flip-flops or leopard print ones?

    How can you be so hateful and thoughtless??  

    (sniff)

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    Now, now.......I "like" you (5.00 / 8) (#36)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:28:24 AM EST
    ....:)

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    Went to dinner the other night and had a (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:11:23 AM EST
    table next to a group of eight twenty-somethings.  Looked like a date or party night, they were all dressed up and had wine on the table... and Every.Single.One of them were glued to their iPhones the entire night.  My husband and I couldn't believe it, no real interaction among the group.  So weird.  We had such a great conversation about being the dinosaurs you mentioned!  

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    Tis strange indeed... (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:21:32 AM EST
    and don't get me started on going to concerts and seeing all the people watching the show through their little screens as they record.  I wonder why they don't just stay home and watch the youtube clips of others the next day?  

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    kids today (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by CST on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:32:17 AM EST
    get off my lawn!

    I have noticed that problem a bit with my camera.  I like to take photos when I go on my wanderings, but then it feels like I'm not really enjoying it.  So I try to give myself one photo shoot per area, where I take pictures of all the things I see regularly, and the rest of the time I try to go phoneless unless I see something really cool.  But it's hard, my favorite place in the world was recently decimated/transformed by erosion and I never really photo-bombed it.  Now it's gone forever.  So it's a hard balance between capturing a moment and enjoying a moment.

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    With the noise levels of (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:43:10 PM EST
    many restaurants these days a little greater than  dining under elevated trains at rush hour, iPhones are about the only way to converse with fellow diners.

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    Oh, sure (none / 0) (#78)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:47:41 PM EST
    I saw a picture, kind of in the style that Norman Rockwell used, of two couples at a dinner table. They were young, very attractive, obviously on dates. All dressed up, ready to go out and have a ball. But, as you know, each of the four were (surreptitiously?) staring down at their laps at their "smart phones."

    The fascinating thing about it was, however, it elicited a powerful reaction from the viewer, but what it was, I don't know. It was funny, but not very; it was sad, but not terribly, it was a very strong reaction, but I (obviously) can't describe it very well.

    You know what I mean? Anyone got a more coherent explanation?


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    I think what it says to me is they are (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:09:02 PM EST
    missing life.  

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    A poignant picture of the information age... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:16:54 PM EST
    err, the too much information age.

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    Yeah, I forgot to say they were all (none / 0) (#88)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:06:06 PM EST
    "looking at their laps."  That's how we knew what they were doing.  And another tell-tell sign was the light glow beaming up in a somewhat dark restaurant. It was funny to us because it appeared as though each was trying to hide what they were doing yet each was doing the same damn thing!  Too funny.  And a sad commentary because there were eight of them and they could have had the absolute best time just talking and laughing and telling stories, yet they were all glued to their phones and whatever was apparently way more important on them.  As I said earlier, weird.

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    Not necessarily even people you know (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:29:42 AM EST
    I created a FB account months ago just out of curiosity, have never used it, never made a page, never posted a single thing anywhere, checked all the stuff I could find about keeping info private-- and I STILL regularly get emails from FB about X, Y and Z, people I've never heard of, who want to "friend" me.

    This FB thing is like the borg, it wants to incorporate you and devour you, whether you consent or not.

    Bad, bad, bad stuff, IMO.

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    I would like to get rid of mine (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:38:41 AM EST
    but it is how I keep up with all the other dog people about dog stuff.

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    I will (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:40:50 AM EST
    keep mine because with it I will probably never had to attend another high school reunion!

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    Now that's funny and probably true (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:43:14 AM EST
    One of my friends that likes Sarah Palin is from my high school years.  It bummed me though, in my memory I had a higher opinion of her than I do now :)

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    Nah, I'm the True Dinosaur (none / 0) (#29)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:41:38 AM EST
    in this one.  No FB page -- never ever been tempted to start one.  No Twitter acct either.

    The old school stuff like surfing the web, posting rants at various sites that will tolerate me, dipping into YT, occasional emailing with one group, and texting suits me fine.  

    Still enjoy actual f2f with friends and family -- so long as I have my iPhone handy in case the conversation veers away from topics that interest me.  A small social shortcoming I'm probably not alone in having picked up recently.

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    Real Dinosaur ?? (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:24:47 AM EST
    Just my opinion, but FB is just... it's for people who have this incessant need for self validation.

    All that can be done on FB can be done at many other sites without the instant feedback which I suspect if defining many's self worth,  good and bad, especially teenagers and lonely people.

    It's a fad like My Space, it will slip into obscurity just as soon as the next shiny object catches the attention of the self indulgent.

    I have never had a My Space page or a FB account and yet my friends and family seems to still have a good grasp on my life.  At least as much as they need to know.

    And as far as being a dinosaur, well not wanting to publicly reveal my every move is hardly being a dinosaur, it's being a fairly private person who has the common sense to realize I am not nearly as important as I think I am.

    And lastly, if my friends are any indication of the average FB user, the life they lead on FB, is nothing like the ones they actually lead.  More of a first date version with very selective displays and some pretty liberal interpretations of actual events.

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    I'm far too private to post my coming and goings (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:35:39 AM EST
    on a place like FB.  TL is the only place I give any hint whatsoever of who or what I am.  I keep in touch with my friends face to face or by phone or mail or email - the old fashioned way (except email!).  So I do consider myself a relic of the past but I am quite content for it to be that way.  

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    Palin becomes more and more (none / 0) (#169)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:22:01 AM EST
    angry and hating as the months go by.  Heard her on Fox the other night and the hard, condemnatory, uncompromising edge in her voice was really hard to take.  (And I've been a moderate Palin fan-- not politically at all, but just have enjoyed her personality as a woman who doesn't give a darn.)

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    Obama's "Team of Rivals" (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 08:25:24 AM EST
    I don't agree with some of the characterizations in this article about his cabinet choices, but a couple of the lines made me laugh.

    In the main, Obama relates to his Cabinet the way he relates to the rest of the world. "He's a total introvert," the former adviser told me. "He doesn't need people." So it hardly matters that Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, is widely seen as quietly capable; she was not front and center in Obama's public push for health-care reform, a topic that another former senior administration aide now calls the Lord Voldemort of policy questions, the issue that must not be named.


    Obama has a cabinet? (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:04:26 AM EST
    Except for Hillary, it's been out of sight out of mind.  The quietest, most anonymous and most underutilized cabinet for admin pr in history.

    This admin has been almost solely repped by Obama, in consistently heavy doses.  With the occasional good campaign speech, or gaffe, from Biden.

    After the dust settles this fall, Obama not having more effective admin surrogates to forcefully argue for his record all along will be one of the reasons plausibly put forth for his defeat.

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    Yeah - I think that's the point (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:44:40 AM EST
    he trots out "WH advisors" and kinda leaves the cabinet blowing in the wind.

    Party game:  Without reading the article, see how many cabinet members you can name.

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    Sometimes I think of this Cabinet (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:35:11 AM EST
    as the "ground hogers"---they come out of their burrows on occasion and then go back in: Napolitano (underwear bomber), Vilsack (sacked Shirley Sherrod), Salazar (put his foot on the neck of BP'ss oil blow).  And, sometimes a brief but welcome comment, such as Duncan's crucial timing for support of marriage equality.

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:51:39 AM EST
    Just walked to lunch and in front of the Treasury Department was a group of about 20 (mostly white) men in a "uniform" - black suits and mostly red ties that had just come out of the builing from a meeting, I guess.  (They looked completely out of place amongst the hundreds of school kids and tour groups also in that area).

    When I walked by them , I saw they had "visitor" badges on with their names - they were from Bank of America and walked 25 steps across the street into the local branch of (wait for it), Bank of America.

    Boo hiss.

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    Badges... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:19:48 PM EST
    ...should have read, 'Owners' or 'Task masters'.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:34:57 PM EST
    I just wanted to punch them.

    Is that a bad thing?

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    No (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:42:31 PM EST
    And it's a good thing I'm anti gun and I don't own one.  Something semi-automatic maybe?  See, that's one of the reasons why I'm anti gun, because I should never own one.

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    Bank of America (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:40:40 PM EST
    Was the bank that drove our friend crazy over the mortgage situation, and then he shot himself.  Bank of America is who doesn't answer the phone calls of a retired Lt. Col. with a VA loan after they have been told by the government that bailed them out that they must do a take back with him.  Bank of America is who refused the two more than generous short sale offers that he was able to garner and provide them with first too.  I hate Bank of America.....forever I'm thinking.

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    There is the worst ever, (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:51:58 PM EST
    and, then there's bank of america.

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    Agreed, but (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:20:19 AM EST
    we should not forget Cabinet member Geithner.

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    He's important, true, (none / 0) (#44)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:46:53 AM EST
    but he doesn't rep the admin well except with Very Serious Beltway Types, usually on business channel cable shows.  The general public is probably unable to pick him out of a lineup, and he's a real negative with the Dem base.

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    Since you think (none / 0) (#94)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:16:37 PM EST
    that Obama will lose, do you have a prediction of the electoral vote?

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    Too early to break it (none / 0) (#140)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:55:59 PM EST
    down state by state -- will know much more by mid Sept -- except that my sense of it is R will somehow get to 270, by hook or the old fashioned GOP way, by crook.

    But I am prepared to say that IN, NC, and FL will move to the GOP column.

    Too many Repub-created impediments to voting, and other GOP shenanigans on Election Day, will diminish the Dem vote totals.  And the Repub party hack perps will count on a new Repub admin in January to help them get away with it with impunity.

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    Ouch. that last paragraph is devastating (none / 0) (#31)
    by sj on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:46:48 AM EST
    The Cabinet these days amounts to a kind of demographically balanced assembly of team mascots, with increasingly ill-defined roles. The Constitution stipulates only that the president "may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices." Maybe Obama should ask for an occasional postcard and leave it at that.


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    GAZUMP (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by jmacWA on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:01:58 AM EST
    New Z word for me... it's in the Scrabble Dictionary
    GAZUMP/GAZUMPED/GAZUMPING/GAZUMPS -  to cheat by raising the price originally agreed upon

    Thanks

    The United States Gazumperment.... (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:41:11 AM EST
    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    We been gazumped.  I see alotta insuring of domestic hostility, demotion of the general welfare, injustice established, and blessings of liberty violated around here.

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    Good word (none / 0) (#21)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:56:55 AM EST
    Can't wait to use it on my 4 and 6 year old.

    Don't GAZUMP me boy.

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    I went to bed early on Tuesday night too (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:06:35 AM EST
    Didn't pay attention to the end of the WI recall, but my husband was upset yesterday morning.  He says that we Democrats must quit conceding so early on election night.  We get in a big hurry he says and we must stop, it makes us look weak and overly frightened.  The votes are going to be counted one way or another, calm the hell down and just let the votes be counted.  He never wants to see another Florida 2000 ever ever again.

    Check. (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 10:28:32 AM EST
    Dem pols seem extremely sensitive or defensive about being accused of being sore losers, so they want to preempt such accusations from the GOP by rushing out a tad prematurely.  Most famously in 2000 with Al Gore and 1980 with Jimmy.  Barrett could have waited a little longer.  And his somewhat too GOP-friendly concession speech should have been more devoted to the many who worked hard on recalling Walker and were feeling terrible.  

    Yet another area where the Repubs have us all worried about what The Serious People will say.

    I'd like to see our pols be a little less enthusiastic and eager with the concession speeches.

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    Repubs like to chest up to you (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:40:15 AM EST
    They love to intimidate.  Dems mostly like to step back.  Politically, it ain't a good equation.  Means one side is always framing the discussion, debate, election.  Guess which one?

    Dems need to do a hundred rhetorical pushups every morning, working those pecs and abs, which also help support the spine, another anatomical metaphor the Dems have managed to turn into a metathree -- as in they don't have much of one.

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    Gee, Dadler (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:49:25 AM EST
    You make it sound like democrats and republicans are political foes.


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    Democrats and Republicans do play (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:08:27 PM EST
    well together, but this is how the game goes: A republican, a democrat and an independent sit at a table with ten, one dollars bills on top.  The Republican takes nine of them, and tells the independent that the Democrat is trying to take his dollar.

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    I saw it coming, (none / 0) (#82)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:55:10 PM EST
    and still laughed. lol

    the mark of a good joke.

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    as in faux, yes (none / 0) (#56)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:16:02 PM EST
    ;-)  

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    I've long wanted the Dems (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 11:59:00 AM EST
    to set up a summer three-week Boot Camp to develop our political toughness muscles.  Hire that ex drill instructor guy that Hollywood always uses, you know, the Screamer.  

    Have him partner with a political rhetoric expert and a policy person and one psychologist with expertise in handling bullies.  All Dem pols who want party funding and support must attend and graduate.

    We've allowed the Rs to continue to kick sand in our faces ever since Nixon v McGovern.  Heck, even our own bully, LBJ, allowed the Repubs to steal an election (1968).

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    "I bet you're the kind of legislator... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:40:26 PM EST
    who would let a republican f*ck you in the arse, and not even demand the common courtesy of a reach around!!!"

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    Any Republican who "chests up" to me ... (none / 0) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:35:44 PM EST
    ... is going to find himself on his a**, staring up at the sky.

    Speaking as someone who's learned from his experiences, I don't get intimidated during the course of a campaign. That's a formula for failure, and I don't do failure or moral victories -- at least, not well, anyway.

    And while we should always endeavor to keep a campaign clean and issue-focused, our underlying policy should also be metaphorically inspired by Sean Connery's rather sage advice to Kevin Costner in The Untouchables.

    Therefore, our promise to Republicans should be two-fold -- to never throw the first punch to start a fight, and to always throw the last one that ends it.

    And my personal advice to Democratic candidates and their campaign staffs is but three words:

    Grow a pair.

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    Man I love the interwebs! (none / 0) (#110)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:53:16 PM EST
    After 10 p.m. is early? (none / 0) (#147)
    by Towanda on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:05:56 PM EST
    Not in Wisconsin on a weeknight, a worknight, a school night. . . .  And not when the numbers and map are clear.

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    This is not comforting: (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:37:02 PM EST
    Romney and his MHP uniform

    Of course, his young brain was not fully operative.  [Snk.]

    Something about that (none / 0) (#130)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:17:15 PM EST
    showing his uniform to "female classmates" schtick is disturbingly Ted Bundy-ish..

    Of course some conservative uniform-and-uniformity fetishist will chime in and say "don't you know women love a man in uniform.."

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    I prosecuted a young man (age 19) (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:24:00 PM EST
    who had a "uniform" and a light on top of his car.  He stopped people on the freeway.  No threats or violence.  Judge didn't think it was a big deal.  He's just a kid, etc.  Defendant also broke into a utility truck parked in front of emergency call worker's home.  Defendant took the schematics the worker would need if called out.  I have often wondered what that young man is doing now.  

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    Good morning, Vietnam! (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:30:53 PM EST
    Well, okay, it's 1:40 a.m. on Friday morning, but I'm still sort of running on Hawaiian time, which is 8:40 a.m. Thursday.

    We arrived at Tan Son Nhat Int'l Airport yesterday afternoon at 2:00 p.m. I noticed from the plane window as we were taxiing to the gate that the old bunkers from the war where the U.S. Air Force used to shelter its fighter jets are still visible. Today, they are mostly used as storage for the Vietnam People's Air Force. Given that rather retro first glance, I was half-expected to debark our plan by stairway and go through customs in a quonset hut, but instead we pulled up to a new and very elegant terminal that would undoubtedly be the envy of more than a few airports in the United States.

    We went through customs quickly, and got to the New World Saigon Hotel a little after 3:00 p.m. We spent the rest of the afternoon wandering around the nearby Ben Thanh Market and adjacent neighborhood, which is just down the block. The Vietnamese people are really friendly, and this part of the city is actually very beautiful -- save for all the overhead phone and power lines that seem to be strung up willy-nilly every which way and everywhere.

    Right next to the hotel there is a gorgeous park that used to comprise the grounds of the former railroad station from the French Indochina colonial days, and I saw a lot of young couples strolling through it yesterday evening, so it appears to be a popular gathering place for young lovers.

    Later today, after everyone arises and we have breakfast, we're going on a tour of the city.

    One thing I did learn is that our hotel is actually less than two blocks from the site of the old Capital Kinh Do Theatre, the place where my father lost his life in a 1964 Viet Cong terror bombing. So this particular neighborhood was where the old American quarter was located. I may wander down there on my own later this afternoon, after we get back from the tour

    I'm going to try and get some sleep. Talk to you all later.

    Aloha.

    Are you there (none / 0) (#123)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:54:18 PM EST
    in conjunction with the Cam Ranh Bay talks?

    If it's a vacation, enjoy yourself.

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    Jeff, how goes the summer reading (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:09:17 PM EST
    program?

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    Oh, good questions! (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by sj on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:07:31 PM EST
    Has he gotten over the Pippi Longstocking hurdle, Jeff?

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    My 14 yr. old tutoree is (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:21:56 PM EST
    reading "Mockingbird" w/ his class. This summer he has toread "Of Mice and Men.". He asks me to tell him about it.  Good.  

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    We're at 16 books finished (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 06:55:53 PM EST
    and continuing...he does love to read.
    As far as Pippi goes, he finished it. I told him I was  proud of him for sticking through it, and now he never had to read it again;0

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    That's a lot of books. (none / 0) (#160)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 06:57:42 PM EST
    Good job-- both of you.  

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    Now, if I could convince him (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 07:01:14 PM EST
    that doing math really is fun, I'd have the world on a string.

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    talk to him about Pythagorous (none / 0) (#182)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:03:38 PM EST
    and how he unlocked the ultimate secrets of existence and the universe and the Mayans and all that hooey..

    If that doesn't work, tell him hot girls love guys who are good at math..

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    "The Outsiders" was well-received (none / 0) (#181)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 11:19:35 AM EST
    in my day.

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    "Follow My Leader" by James Garfield (none / 0) (#183)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:51:22 PM EST
    First published in the 1950s. It's about a boy who is blinded while shooting off firecrackers with his friends, and about how he adjusts to his new life with the help of a seeing-eye dog. Wonderful book!

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    Oh, what a joy (none / 0) (#163)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 07:03:32 PM EST
    it must be to tutor him, especially when reading such works!  I'd add "The Old Man And The Sea" to that list... Oh, the conversations you must be having!

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    Another book I recommend ... (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 08:13:01 PM EST
    ... for young teenaged boys is Howard Fast's April Morning. It's a coming of age story, and its central character is 15-year-old Adam Cooper, who impetuously joins his father with the colonial militia in their hometown of Lexington on the very eve of the British army's march from Boston to Concord, and the events takes place over a 28-hour period.

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    Hardly. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:08:27 PM EST
    It's strictly a long-planned vacation. We'll be passing through Cam Ranh via motorcoach next week as we work our way north to Pleiku, Da Nang and Hue, so we'll be seeing the bay, but that's it. We're overnighting in Nha Trang, which is just to the north of Cam Ranh.

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    I thought this museum was interesting. (none / 0) (#129)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:15:34 PM EST
    My friends cannot remember visiting it.  I did not go as far as the "Agent Orange" exhibit.  link

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    We're actually going ... (none / 0) (#139)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:53:57 PM EST
    ... to that war museum tomorrow. It's not very far from here, about eight blocks north of our hotel.

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    Isn't it really, really hot and humid in (none / 0) (#143)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:08:35 PM EST
    Saigon now?  It sure was when we visited, which was during January--the cool season.  Did find a quasi-Starbucks near the cathedral advertising ice made from "safe" water.  Yeah  Ice tea.

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    It's not much different than ... (none / 0) (#157)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 06:20:52 PM EST
    ... what I'm already used to in Hawaii.

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    Lucky you. (Although (none / 0) (#158)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 06:47:21 PM EST
    I have not been to Hawaii.)

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    Basement flooding... (none / 0) (#1)
    by magster on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 11:47:25 PM EST
    ... table soccer size hail, decimated garden...

    banner evening here in Parker.

    On the news (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:23:17 AM EST
    they said Parker would get hit really hard. The thunder is just starting here in central Denver. It's about to rain but hasn't started yet.

    Do you have skylights? I always worry they will break from the hail.

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    No thank goodness... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by magster on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 08:47:40 AM EST
    ...the basement flooding was the worst. It rained so much that water seeped into our window wells and began draining through the basement windows. Ripping off the well covers and bailing minimized the damage. Glad we noticed before it got too bad.

    Our garden is toast. We had some really nice roses going and our daylillies were about to sprout. Oh well...

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    Condolences (none / 0) (#167)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:18:10 AM EST
    Has this ever happened before?  Those window wells have always struck me as potentially problematic, and I guess you just proved it.

    The previous owners of my house had the wisdom to put in what's called a "French drain" all around the house many years ago, and the cellar is utterly dry no matter how much rain we get, including the near 8 inches we got over the course of a day during Tropical Storm Irene last summer.

    Too, too bad about your garden!  Though you may well find the daylilies have survived.  Even the more exotic ones seem pretty close to indestructible.

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    No, first time (none / 0) (#185)
    by magster on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:56:16 PM EST
    It was just one of those storms.

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    the denver post's website (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:27:17 AM EST
    is down. I don't recall that every happening. I wonder if it's weather related. Maybe time to dig out candles.

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    They probably forgot... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 08:07:55 AM EST
    to pay their Xcel bill.  

    Nothing too exciting weather wise in South Cap Hill last night-just a good rain for a bit.  Just hope it rained downtown to wash the alleys off a bit.  They're getting a bit, shall we say, "ripe".  

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    For 40 years... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:00:11 PM EST
    the DEA has touted the big bust, turning the tide, crippling blows, and assorted bullsh*t.

    How they can do it with a straight face anymore is a wonder...

    "It's an important blow," Laila Rico, a spokeswoman for the DEA's Caribbean Division, told Reuters. "The Puerto Rico airport is sought-after by drug dealers because it's basically a mid-point between South American countries and the United States and offers an easy entry point."

    No Laila, a pointless time and money wasting tyrannical excercise, 40 years of history tells us that clear as day.  Get a real job!


    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:31:33 PM EST
    They didn't actually mention any drug seizures, just that they arrested people:
    suspected of smuggling 14 tons of cocaine and heroin.

    They don't even need to actually seize drugs anymore to whip out their d1cks.

    What astonishes me, is the TSA has people in Puerto Rico, yet that volume of drugs made it past them, or worse they were part of it.

    What a GD joke.  I am to believe they are going to save my life by dehumanizing me, yet they failed to detect 14 tons of dope.

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    It appears the only way... (none / 0) (#109)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:50:10 PM EST
    to dodge the dehumanization dance is a well placed bribe.  If it works for smuggling drugs, I see no reason why it wouldn't work for smuggling ones own dignity through a checkpoint.  

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    If you think that I'm going to ... (none / 0) (#125)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:00:00 PM EST
    ... bribe TSA personnel for the privilege of keeping my shoes on, you've got another thing coming! That's why God invented the loafer.

    ;-D

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    The DEA.. (none / 0) (#126)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:05:02 PM EST
    it's called anything to keep your job..

    They remind me of what a friend from Egypt told me about Egyptian professional 'snake catchers' who never leave the house without a few live cobras..

    If there isn't a problem, and your livlihood depends on there being one, make a problem..

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    More thoughts on Wisconsin (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:09:42 PM EST
    Ann Althouse has an interesting post up about Rahm Emanuel and Tom Barrett and the decision for Barrett to run for governor.  Yes, I know she's a conservative, but some there are some interesting tidbits in there, even only for speculation. (Just don't read the comments)

    On March 30 -- 2 days later -- Barrett announced his candidacy. His message at that point was that he would support collective bargaining, but he wanted to get to a compromise, bringing in all sides. "I'm going to try to heal the state. I'm going to try to restore the trust." This contrasted to what was being said by his rival for the Democratic Party nomination, Kathleen Falk -- who'd announced her candidacy back in January. Falk had captured the unions' endorsement by pledging to veto any budget that did not restore public unions' collective bargaining powers.

    Now, I think the polling numbers showed all along that Scott Walker was going to win the recall election, so something else was at stake that drove Emanuel to Milwaukee to propel Tom Barrett into the race. The real interests had to do with the national Democratic Party and the fall elections.

    SNIP

    But Barrett got the Democrats' support in the primary, knocking out Kathleen Falk who would have wedded the Democratic Party's image in Wisconsin to the unions. And Barrett proceeded to avoid talking about collective bargaining, making his issue some vague blather about healing and trust. That is, he ended up with a generic non-message of the sort that has worked for Barack "Hope and Change" Obama.

    So what did Rahm Emanuel say to Tom Barrett? Was he conveying the message that you are Obama's pick, and we need to do this for the sake of the party's future? And this includes losing, because we know from the polls that you are going to lose. And, after today, we are not going to help you. In fact, although you are Obama's pick, you are picked for the purpose of keeping this pro-union message off of the President. He will not appear by your side in Wisconsin. He might do fundraisers just over the border in Minneapolis, making a show of shunning you. We'll throw you a tweet of support -- in less than 140 characters -- on the eve of the election. This is all understood.

    Hmmm.....

    Ya, OK, Don't Know What They Talked About... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:53:18 PM EST
    ...so just make up the most ridiculous right wing hackery imaginable Ann.

    No analysis of Wisconsin is complete w/o mention the $50M+ of out of state dollars injected into the debate IMO.

    But that is nothing new, neither is wingers neglecting to mention it and pretending that it was some sort of reformation of their policy.

    There is about 6 million people in the state, so just about $10 per person was spent on this non-sense.  I think Walker spent $56M and Barrett spent $6M.

    On a national level that would be like $3B, just an insane amount of money for a recall election.

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    Don't you think it's interesting (none / 0) (#85)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 12:59:56 PM EST
    That the Democrat who actually announced in January, that supported unions - all of a sudden  - Rahm has a fundraiser with Barrett -(who's not the most union friendly Democrat) -and BAM - Barrett's the nominee?  This whole recall thing started because of the anger fueled over Walker's treatment of and positions on public employee unions, and all of a sudden, those people don't support the candidate who's very pro-union??

    Sounds fishy to me.

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    And You Think Obama... (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:17:36 PM EST
    ...is behind it ?

    That was actually what I meant, the insinuation that Rahm is some sort of covert Whitehouse operative and that the Mayor of Chicago was pulling the strings on the mayor of Milwaukee for President.

    And it was all done for what, to ensure an Obama's victory in November by ensuring a loss in the recall election that would allow him to distance himself from unions ?  

    It simply doesn't make sense on any level.

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    What simply doesn't make sense (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:04:04 PM EST
    Is why a Democrat in the White House would refuse to give more than a tweet in support to a year long effort on behalf of working people and union members - you know - the people who give (and gave) millions of dollars and millions of hours to get that same Democrat elected to the White House?  .

    What doesn't make sense that after a vocal pro-union Democrat announces for governor and after Barrett says he's staying the mayor, then all of a sudden, after a fundraising visit from Rahm, he decides to run?

    What doesn't make sense, that in an election year, the DNC and big name Democrats weren't all over Wisconsin (and all over TV) nailing the point home about how bad Walker and the Republicans are, and instead, the election was virtually ignored and now is being downplayed as "it doesn't matter" - relying on exit polls showing Obama beating Romney (the same exit polls that, by the way, showed a virtual tie on election day between Walker and Barrett - oops).

    So yes, I am positive the administration had their fingers in this somehow - all in the name of PPUS.  Besides, it's easier to run a scare-tactics campaign ("You MUST vote for Obama - look what happened in Wisconsin!!!") then to run a campaign on helping the unions.

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    Frightening analysis. (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:20:46 PM EST
    I'm trying to come up with alternate hypotheses, but I'm finding it difficult.

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    There's a Democrat... (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:47:18 PM EST
    ...in the White House ?

    I still think it's far flung.  It's the whole correlation/causation arguement.

    Maybe the mayor was hedging on the fact that people were the tired of the polarization and that running on togetherness would pull in a V.  Maybe he was naive in thinking that $50M wouldn't be brought in against him.

    And not to point out the obvious,but the whole party has been running from unions for some time.  Obama hasn't backed anyone or anything on any meaningful level.  Post-Dean has left the DNC pretty much leaving anyone it doesn't feel worthy, behind.

    So by your measure, this loss was a huge success for Obama and the party ?  That actually does makes sense, every failure of Obama I am told is some how a success, and that I am incapable of realizing it.

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    Sorry, but it does make sense (none / 0) (#175)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:45:56 AM EST
    Because this was an almost sure loser from the get-go.

    If it were me, I'd be out there supporting it anyway, but that's not the way these people think.

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    No, I don't think it's interesting. (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:39:17 PM EST
    I think it's the product of a fevered right-wing imagination. I man, you're honestly going to take Ann Althouse seriously -- really? You don't think she doesn't have an agenda of her own, writing that claptrap?

    Speaking for myself, I fully expected Tom Barrett to run again all along. After all, he was the 2010 nominee, he's quite popular with most Wisconsin Democrats, and he just won re-election as Milwaukee mayor rather handily. There's no conspiracy here. Falk never had a chance, and had she been the nominee, the margin of victory for Walker would have been in double digits.

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    Of course she has an agenda (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:03:55 PM EST
    But then again, so does the MSNBC prime time line up (and it's not like THEY are always telling the truth), yet people feel free to quote them here.

    Between the lack of support for unions in Wisconsin and the site selection of the convention, Democrats should not whine when they keep losing more and more working class votes - votes at one time that were guaranteed to vote D.

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    The theme of the Republicans today (none / 0) (#128)
    by christinep on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:11:17 PM EST
    Seems to be a broader "divide & conquer.". They & their travelers are plying several versions ...e.g., attempts to reprise Clinton-Obama splits, doubts, suspicions & all that.  The old twist, twist, followed by a concerned-sounding query from the Republican to audience ala "Don't you think that is sad, bad, etc.?"   See also the "concern" about why the President didn''t go to Wisconsin (when, of course, there were practical reasons for not taking the losing bait.)

    I've always been amused by this predictable Republican tactic. Such concern...land o' goshen.  Just one suggestion for the purveyors of the division maneuver:  Be a bit more subtle. 'Cause when the conservative flaks like Jennifer Rubin et sl start bemoaning the same spiel at the same time, it is a bit too obvious...huh jbindc?

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    Actually, christine (none / 0) (#142)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:05:04 PM EST
    I thought Brand "D" was ruined in 2008.

    My how the chickens have come home to roost.....

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    Explain, please. (none / 0) (#156)
    by christinep on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:34:11 PM EST
    Yup, it really is amazing (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 01:12:36 PM EST
    how much I learned.....after the election.

    this guy, Barrett, was a loser from the git-go. The greatest support for the public service workers.....were the public service workers. Many of the democrats secretly (or maybe not so secretly) emotionally identified with the republicans more than the dems. Many of the democrats knew that the narrow focus of just the public service unions was a loser. They felt that a general, State wide strike was the only way to garner broad support, and make a real impact.

    And, of course, choosing Barrett, who had broadly lost before, and had the charisma of an e.d.s. victim, was a stroke of pure genius.

    In other words, the public really was primed and ready to make a big, dramatic statement, except for one teeny weeny thing: Wrong message....and wrong Messenger.

    (o.k. that was 2 teeny weeny things)

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    What debates were you watching? (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Towanda on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:18:18 PM EST
    Wow, live-blogged 'em with hundreds of others nationwide, and nobody saw what you saw.

    As for your opinion of Barrett, who has represented me for more than two decades . . . well, I had a better opinion of your picks before, so this is useful in that way, anyway.

    And anyone who have picked Falk! or the others also did not hear them in debates, does not know their electoral history, etc.

    The public that was primed to make a big statement was the one with more than $40 million behind it.

    That, of course, was not the public that had promises from the DNC and President Tweeter.  They well may be the losers here, but they had their chance.

    Oh, and by the way, back to Wisconsin, which was what this was about:  It all worked to deflect, and we won our goal.

    Of course, there are those elsewhere who love them their horse races and had a different goal.  But we didn't do this to provide vicarious, fleeting, cheap thrills for others.  They may want to toss those tv's and watch their American Idol and Dances with Has Beens on retro tv's, since they like their "reality" to be so black and white.

    We live here, we can survive here now -- after winning step one last year, and now step two this year, and we're already on to step three.  With or without the DNC, et al., if they can catch up.

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    When in doubt, defer to the (none / 0) (#164)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 07:30:09 PM EST
    experts - the people who actually live in the jurisdiction in question - and cast a justifiably jaundiced and skeptical eye at those who claim to have some sort of special insight by virtue of having a membership card  - it's laminated! - in the Club of the Very Special People.

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    Stunningly, Althouse (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Towanda on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:26:48 PM EST
    is not telling you all that you need to know and is slanting what she is telling you.

    I'm shocked.

    Not.

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    Then do you have an alternate theory? (none / 0) (#118)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:29:12 PM EST
    I SAID it was speculation, but if you don't want to even consider the bigger picture, I guess that's your right.


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    And I guess (none / 0) (#120)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 02:33:17 PM EST
    We shouldn't take this guy seriously either.

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    'This guy' is not saying that (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:46:45 PM EST
    Obama et al put Barrett forward hoping/knowing he would lose. He is saying Obama was trying to harness the movement for his own purposes - winning in November.

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    or (none / 0) (#165)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 07:58:24 PM EST
    THIS guy

    Scroll down: Wisconsin Recap

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#178)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 07:46:37 AM EST
    The narrative has been and still is "Walker outspent Barrett!"

    So what?  Walker is an idiot with bad policies - had someone, oh, I don't know, someone with a bully pulpit (or at least people who could use the bully pulpit) been out there supporting the Democratic candidate and the issues, maybe it wouldn't have been the blow-out it was (except for Barrett internals and DKos polls, which are still showing it tied! <snark>)

    Of course, that's why Obama won in 2008 - if only McCain had spent more money!

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    From what I have seen, the only thought needed (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 03:41:24 PM EST
    is the fact that the Walker forces outspent the  Barret forces 8 to 1.

    The Dems were not committed to spending 50 million to unseat a governor of a state. It is hard for me to argue with that logic. The equation is not going to change until Citizens United is done away with by some means. The GOP will always have more money to spend than unions will.

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    True (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by sj on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 05:04:50 PM EST
    Why spend $50 million when less than 140 characters will do?

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    If I am Not Mistaken (none / 0) (#180)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 10:58:48 AM EST
    Citizens had nothing to do with it because campaign contributions aren't limited in recall elections.

    What I don't know is if that is for Wisconsin or the entire country.

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    Wisconsin law (none / 0) (#184)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:54:47 PM EST
    Has a loophole for unlimited contributions for recall elections for a limited period of time.

    A rarely-talked-about exception in the state's campaign finance laws would let donors give unlimited cash to help Gov. Scott Walker beat back a possible recall election.

    State law allows individuals to donate no more than $10,000 during regular elections to a gubernatorial candidate. But in the once-rare case of a recall election, Wisconsin removes the individual cap on donations to incumbents for a period stretching from the start of the petition drive to the day the state authorizes an election.



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