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    Pussy Riot Icon to be Scrubbed (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by squeaky on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:07:37 AM EST
    Hurry up an get a look at the painting before all traces of it disappear from the internet...  

    A court has ruled that an "icon" created by Artyom Loskutov and Maria Kiseleva, artists based in Novosibirsk, Russia's third most populous city, offends religious feelings and must be scrubbed from the web (good luck with that). The icon depicts the Virgin Mary, wearing a balaclava like those worn by members of Pussy Riot and holding a little girl with braids instead of the baby Jesus....

    ....Loskutov told Siberian media that he was both surprised and honored by all the attention that law enforcement officials have paid to his work.

    art newspaper

    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:45:55 AM EST
    scrub all you want Putin, but like Lady Macbeth that stain ain't coming off!

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    And Lest We Forget (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12:59 AM EST
    NYC's own Putin aka Giuliani and his attempt withdraw funding for the Brooklyn Museum because of Ofili's painting  The Holy Virgin Mary, in Sensation, a Saatchi curated show at the museum.

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    Peas in a pod... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:23:21 AM EST
    those two brothers from other mothers.

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    Speaking of the Virgin Mary... (none / 0) (#6)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:54:37 AM EST
    ...my recent trip to Turkey set me at the last know residence of the Virgin Mary (make sure you view is satellite) where I had an epiphany, who broke the VM's hymen ?

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    Technically, (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:04:08 PM EST
    her hymen would have physically been broken during the act of childbirth itself.  It sure wouldn't have survived a baby pushing its way through.   ;-)

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    That's the Joke Zorba... (none / 0) (#37)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:15:47 PM EST
    ...Jesus, broke the VM's hymen.  When I mentioned it in person, every got what I was saying, but I guess in a blog, it's a super-dud.

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    Hee, hee! (none / 0) (#42)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    Facial expressions and subtle physical hints are sadly unavailable on the Internet.   ;-)

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    That's one question I forgot to ask (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:19:46 AM EST
    when I was driving my high school religion teachers crazy with questions.

    Gotta either be the guy who the immaculate conception story got off the hook, or Mary.

    Mary Ann With The Shaky Hand

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    The immaculate conception isn't (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:11:03 PM EST
    about an immaculate conception, it is about being conceived "immaculately"--i.e, without original sin.  I remember this well because I got in big trouble with the nuns when I was off on my theology and asked if run- of- the mill conception was "dirty."

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    Dirty or Immaculate? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by squeaky on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:40:27 PM EST
    How would the nuns know anything about this? From what I understand they have no experience in these matters.

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    I'm confused... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:07:00 PM EST
    so did Mary get it on with a living man or not?  

    The way I understand the immaculate conception theory is Mary got pregnant without semen, via miracle.  And Joseph bought that story?  He must be the most gullible son of a b*tch that ever lived;)

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    No man involved, (none / 0) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:21:57 PM EST
    at least for that birth.. Conceived while still a virgin by the Holy Ghost.   That story had a short-half life, it seems to only worked once,  on Joe.

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    Yes, well, I am not (none / 0) (#50)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:42:05 PM EST
    Roman Catholic (I'm Greek Orthodox, and the Orthodox do not accept the concept of "immaculate conception") but even I knew this.  In fact, I have several Catholic friends whom I had to disabuse of their erroneous notion about the "immaculate conception."
    Guess they didn't listen well enough to the nuns when they were young.
    ;-)  

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    I Was Thinking... (none / 0) (#12)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:25:22 AM EST
    ...the boy wonder himself.

    No else seemed to find my revelation quite as funny as I did.

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    When I told a friend we saw the Virgin Mary's (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:06:35 AM EST
    retirement home in Ephesus (from the outsid), friend replied: she retired from being a virgin?

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    Scott - what are your thoughts on visiting Turkey, (none / 0) (#25)
    by Angel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:12:25 PM EST
    and Istanbul in particular.  We're planning a trip there next July.

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    It Was Awesome... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:07:41 PM EST
    ...for me personally, the 2 days in Istanbul was plenty.  Not to knock anyone, but the entire time there was spent saying to never-ending string of people trying to sell you something.  But there are a lot of things to do, but IMO it's not a real good representation of the country.  

    Plus, and this might be my personal prejudices, seeing women in their darth vador garb(only eyes) really freaked me out.  Especially when they wear black, it's nearly 100 out, and the guys are wearing shorts and fairly modern clothing.  At the Blue Mosque the women had to cover their arms, legs, and hair, while guys only had to remove their shoes.  It made me feel weird that there were such different rules and how we were suppose to be so impressed with the what were very impressive religious buildings.  I couldn't get past the second class citizen thing in their religion.

    That isn't true of the rest of the country, the rest of the country was very different, not so traditional and what felt like to me, religious oppression.  But then again, 2 days in Istanbul is like 2 days in NYC, it's a miniscule amount of time.  Even one of the guys I went with was wanting to go back with his woman to Istanbul.  I didn't get it, but he liked it a lot.

    oculus was there as well.

    Here is my post on it.

    What we did is just board a tour bus that was on some grand, month long tour of Turkey, for a 6 days.  It took us along the coast and all major ancient ruin sites in a deluxe bus until we hit a resort town of Antalya.  We stayed there for 4 days then took a short flight back to Istanbul and flew out form there.

    The bus was super cool as it has a Turkish guide and a set schedule.  They took care of everything so we really only had to plan for the days in Antalya.  Many others, like us, jumped on here and there, so it was never the same group.

    The problem we always have is getting four guys to agree to anything and then trying to get everyone up and ready before noon.  We thought we would try having a vacation nazi of sorts to keep us from wasting so much time.  It worked.  I believe this will be the way we do it in the future.  We saw more stuff that we would have on our own in 3 vacations.  And yet we got to chill and party the last days in a really cool city on the coast.

    Plus having a Turkish guide is key, you get a lot more context to everything with a guy at the front of the bus either telling some sort of story and available with the knowledge to questions one might have.

    My email is my profile if you more info, this is like 10 times longer than I intended.

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    Thanks for the info. We will be traveling with (none / 0) (#82)
    by Angel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:26:11 PM EST
    another couple on our own, no tours or anything like that.  I have a friend who was there last year who advised getting a guide while in Istanbul, so glad you said essentially the same thing.  I kept waiting for you to post on your trip but I now see that I missed it last week as I was offline for a while due to travel and other life circumstances.  Thanks for the link!  

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    Here's what we did in the early (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 05:55:04 PM EST
    '90s:  flew into Istanbul via JFK.  We had signed up for a large group tour due to the low cost. But only 15 experienced and interesting travelers were on the big bus. Tour of Istanbul w/guide. Flew Ankara bwonderful museum.  Visited Cappadochia, Pamukyla, Konya, and then a day's bus ride through the heart of the country to Antalya. (Side trips to Roman ruins.). Flew to closest airport to see Ephesus and several nearbynarcheological sites. We flew from Izmir to Istanbul to spend a few days there. The tour continued to Troy and Pergamon without us.

    #1 must do in Istanbul:  get a Turkish massage at an historic hamman. For example:  link. The one we went to was in Lonely Planet. But we did not encounter any tourists. It was walking distance from our hotel near the Blue Mosque. The experience of the trip!

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    Thanks, oculus! (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Angel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 08:52:08 PM EST
    I've already shared Scott's comments with Mr. Angel and I'll share yours as well.  We were planning to fly into Izmir for a tour of that region, then on to Istanbul for a few days.  A Turkish massage is definitely on the to-do list!

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    I always tell people to be sure and go the hamman (none / 0) (#103)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:35:52 AM EST
    But no one does it. Hope you do mwhat an experience.

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    I printed the linked page and put it inside my (none / 0) (#108)
    by Angel on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 10:00:38 AM EST
    planning file.  I'm definitely game for doing it and I think my travel companions will be as well.  Thank you again for the info!  

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    If Mr Angel Cares... (none / 0) (#110)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 10:50:09 AM EST
    ...he should make sure the knows who is going to be massaging him.  My friend literally got man-handled while the rest of us got the good stuff.  We 'forgot' to mention to our friend that the default is masseur not masseuse.

    But they are so ridiculously good and cheap that we got one nearly every day.  The Turks know how to relax.

    But we didn't do it where oculus recommended, which really sucks since we waked right by it, I bet 5 times.

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    Ha! I'll definitely share this with him. (none / 0) (#122)
    by Angel on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 04:51:05 PM EST
    We were in Siena, Italy a couple of years back and had massages at this place we were staying.  All they gave us for coverage were tiny towels that resembled washcloths - we each received only one, so I was essentially nude except for the placement of that one cloth.  Also, I had a masseur because that's what I had requested when booking.  It was an interesting experience.  :)

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    You notice I didn't mention the massages we got (none / 0) (#123)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    from a masseur at the Richmond Hotel in Pamukyla. I went first. The masseur stayed in the room while I situated me and the towel. He definitely did a total body massage and he was enjoying it way too much. But I tipped him and didn't say a word to my waiting female friend. She said I never looked her in the eye.  He didn't even offer her a towel but she found one. When he was massaging her, she was laughing silently thinking of the difference in the size of her breasts compared to mine.   We swore never to tell another living soul. But we did.

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    Hee hee. I'm really looking forward to Turkey. (none / 0) (#124)
    by Angel on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 08:25:32 PM EST
    You will find it fascinating. Just vow to ignore (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 08:57:05 PM EST
    the carpet sellers--unless you are in the market for one. I really enjoy the carpet I  bought and schlepped home.

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    Well, there are those... (none / 0) (#92)
    by unitron on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 08:35:09 PM EST
    ...whose theology posits that JC "transported" from womb to outside world to better maintain his purity instead of having to contact the den of inquity known as the vagina, so I guess that would have left it intact, with the knock off effect of convincing Joseph that she really was still a virgin.

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    He 'transported out, eh? (none / 0) (#109)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 10:19:13 AM EST
    And all these years I've ignored the Bible and read science fiction instead.

    Now that I think about it, there's not much difference.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 125 (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:24:25 AM EST
    Obamacare news (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:35:18 AM EST
    ARRRRGHHHH (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:26:50 PM EST
    We needed single payer.  Not this mess of a law.

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    yes we do (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:13:21 PM EST
    I am waiting to see what public figure/politician is going to take on this issue like Gore took on global warming.  Americans have no idea in general how much better we would all be if we have universal medicare.

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    plus (none / 0) (#65)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:11:23 PM EST
    you can get insurance if you have a pre-existing condition, but you an be charged 300 times as much for it as a healthy person.  WOOT!

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    Nah (none / 0) (#77)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:08:52 PM EST
    They can't charge you more for that.  But instead they ream all of us for it.  What we needed was Medicare buy-in at least for those denied private insurance.  Instead, we all got a huge rate increase.

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    Mo' Snowden, Mo' Snowden... (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:51:58 AM EST
    Not News...NSA violating our 4th Amendment rights.  News...they ain't just doing it for their own files, they're doing it for Israel.

    Glenn Greenwald has a loooong post on (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:57:46 AM EST
    this over at The Guardian, here.

    It is a collaboration with Laura Poitras and Ewan MacAskill.

    The opening paragraphs:

    The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.

    Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the US government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis.

    The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.

    The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing.

    A lot of this is getting lost in the shuffle of Syria news...

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    If the NSA didn't have Syria... (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:04:30 AM EST
    they'd have to file a request with the CIA to create one.

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    Yet Google street view is being rapped on the (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:10:05 AM EST
    knuckles for inadvertently capturing emails.

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    Here are some links (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:08:03 PM EST
    that Oculus forgot, if you want to know about the suit against Google for "tapping" unencrypted wifi signals while cruising to create Street View.

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    Yes... (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:41:38 AM EST
    A lot of the reporting and commentary about shenanigans of the NSA is being drowned in the maelstrom created by the specter of yet another US war in the mid-East. Not by accident, either imo.

    I was filling out a form on the internet, on a banking website, and I found myself thinking that whatever I was writing, however encrypted, some functionary somewhere could un-encrypt it and store it somewhere.

    It was not a pleasant feeling.
    Really "1984".

    And with the president and everyone else saying it's OK, or just an "inconvenience", I think this is with us forever. Or until we get an enlightened administration - something that does not seem to be on the horizon with the likes of Kerry or Clinton lurking to take over the reins.

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    Putin (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:26:39 AM EST
    wrote what I thought was a very good Op-Ed piece in today's NYTimes.

    The part I most identified with was the part in which he indicated discomfort with the phrase in which Obama referred to American foreign policies as something that, "makes us (America) exceptional".

    I have often thought, after hearing speech after speech in which pols have exhorted us to consider that we are the "greatest nation on Earth", how that must sound to everybody else in the world. I know how I would feel if some leader from any other country were to announce to all and sundry that they were "the greatest nation on Earth". I would think, and murmur to myself, "in your dreams, azzhat."

    Putin says:

    It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy.

    I feel that way also.
    I think it is really dangerous for people to be led to believe that they are better than other people. When people begin to feel superior to others that share the same planet, they do things that are crazy - thinking that their exceptional status entitles them to do it.
    To whit: the war in Vietnam. The war in Iraq. And, for my money, the proposed ill-conceived, poorly thought-out redline bombing of Syria.
    When Kerry and Obama tell us that they are prepared to bomb with or without the consent of the people of the United States, or without even making a case before the UN, I get the impression that not only do they think the US is an exception, but that they themselves, personally, are exceptional - and superior to the framers of our Constitution.

    But, to return to my main point:

    We are a unique country in my opinion. We have offered much to the world - in science, in music, in film and the other arts as well.
    But I can say the same about just about every other country in the world.

    But we have also behaved selfishly, and brutally at times.
    And I can say that about just about every other country in the world as well.

    Each country has its uniqueness. Each has its own history.
    What is wrong with acknowledging that and marching with others, one among equals?

    Please let them can the "greatest on Earth" line and bury it.

    Full text of Op-Ed

    NOTE: Syria is Russia's client state, and ... (3.50 / 2) (#74)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:57:36 PM EST
    ... as such is the recipient of untold billions of dollars' worth of armaments and military hardware from the Russians on an annual basis. Further, the only remaining Russian military base outside the former Soviet Union is located in Syria's seaport of Tarsus on the Mediterranean Sea.

    Suffice to say, therefore, that Vladimir Putin clearly has a dog in this hunt, which you conveniently forgot to mention -- so I'm saying it for you, in order to place his New York Times op-ed in its proper context.

    It doesn't surprise me at all that you've readily identified with President Putin, given that practically anyone who criticizes Barack Obama nowadays seems to be near and dear to your heart -- even the latest edition of the "Texas Soufflé," Ted Cruz.

    And only recently, you were still embracing the repeatedly discredited notion that the Syrian rebels had gassed themselves in Ghouta, just as you no doubt probably prefer to forget that Mr. Putin was himself directly responsible for the deaths of nearly 200,000 Muslims (by conservative estimates) in his own country during the Second Chechen War.

    If you're going to continue discussing the crisis in Syria, then at least try to be an honest broker on the subject, and cease cherry-picking only the information -- or misinformation and propaganda, as has occasionally been the case -- that conforms to your political agenda. This is a very complex and complicated matter, yet over the last few weeks you've repeatedly reduced it to a level of caricature that's both unworthy and unseemly.

    Aloha.

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    Essentially, (5.00 / 4) (#84)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:42:52 PM EST
    you are paraphrasing Buck Turgidson: "Mr. President, I'm beginning to smell a big fat commie rat."

    I'm not arguing for Putin, or saying that he doesn't have an agenda as much as we do.

    I am simply saying what I said.
    I identify with the statement I quoted.
    It is a McCarthyist stretch to say that I "readily identify with Putin" as you did. Have you no sense of decency? At long last?

    I provided a link so that others could judge the context, and also disagree, as Anne did, with a number of the other things he said.

    As for what I quoted, I'm glad he said it.
    And I would hope that everyone, including Putin, would take it to heart.

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    'Untold' billions per annum, eh? (none / 0) (#112)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:46:07 AM EST
    I guess that's why there's no evidence of that figure anywhere.

    I suggest a different tack.  Try dredging up the old Dominoe theory.  to wit:

    If we don't stop Assad now, the other Middle Eastern hornets nests that America's 'long game' foreign policies have knocked out of the claws of stable dictatorships and into the hands of angry islamic radicals - will be pushed back into the claws of stable dictatorships.

     

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    I think most everyone (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:49:34 AM EST
    has had the experience of meeting very conceited people in their lives. People who think they are "better" than everyone else.

    I think most everyone thinks less of them for their conceit. It's definitely a negative.

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    "Wed on't do pinpricks" struck me as (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:19:38 AM EST
    an unnecessarily arrogant assessment from Obama of America's military might; followed a moment or two later with, "...but the Assad regime does not have the ability to seriously threaten our military.  Any other retaliation they might seek is in line with threats that we face every day."

    He see-sawed from invoking national interests and fears of spreading use of CW to minimizing the threat.

    Perhaps the message was supposed to be "we can squash you like a bug under our shoe, and we can do it whenever we want, so if you refuse to cooperate, you do so at your own peril."

    Putin's op-ed was not without its own discordant notes.  I found it cringe-worthy that he invoked human rights and we're-all-equal, given Russia's own human rights record and its current treatment of gays.  And did he throw in the God reference to appeal to the religious America?

    Whether it's Obama or Putin, or Kerry putting on a daily show of incompetence, what ought to come shining through is that whether it's a use of force or diplomacy, there still really is no plan.  I hope Syria does do what it says it will, but if there's no cease-fire component, exactly how will that be accomplished?

    We have yet to articulate in any coherent manner what our interests are in Syria, how they fit into the overall regional picture, and how we will deal with the consequences of the various options.

    Obama says he will not put boots on the ground.  When?  Under some finite and circumscribed set of conditions that exist at some defined moment?  Or ever?  Because when he says something that definite, I think he's just mind-fking the American people to get them to give him their okay.

    Sorry, I'm kind of rambling, but I have so many thoughts in my head and they really are not easy to organize.

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    I probably would have (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by sj on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:24:04 PM EST
    skated over the God reference if not for squeaky's link above. From the article:
    Russia's parliament passed a law in June making it a crime to offend "religious feelings".
    And yeah, Putin sounds somewhat sanctimonious given his history, but I also agree with what he says here. In any case, I am starting to feel that anyone who invokes human rights is cringe-worthy unless they represent Doctors without Borders, or the ACLU or RAWA or the like.

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    I agree with your assessment (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:43:53 PM EST
    and vis a vis Putin, although it is as I mentioned elsewhere a moment in time when the - uncomforatble and awkward - realization sets in that an ex-KGB tyrant has stymied a Nobel Peace Prize recipients determination to launch an illegal aggressive war - it not only shows obama as the hypocritical naked emperor so starkly that rest of world is thoroughly disgusted, but Putin will not be able to escape the same judgement by the world if he's not careful.

    So in a convoluted sort of way we may have ended up in a framework now that may produce not another cold ward or arms race, but a moral humanitarian race with both countries reluctantly trying to outdo each other?

    Mockery Avoidance writ large?

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    But then I read about our arming the (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:01:07 PM EST
    rebels, and the CIA death squads, and I feel like we're once again getting the family-friendly PR to mask what's really going on:

    The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear -- a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria's civil war.
     Link

    And this (emphasis is mine):

    CIA Joins Obama's Dissembling on Date Death Squads Sent Into Syria

    The post [Marcy's post from 9/4/13] goes on to note that rather than September 2, after the disputed August 21 chemical weapon attack, French sources had actually documented that the first group of CIA-trained and armed fighters was as large as 300 (not 50) and entered Syria on August 17, well ahead of the release of chemical agents.

    [snip]

    The timing for the flow of arms to these groups is another way we can pinpoint when they became enmeshed in activities inside Syria. With yesterday's leak on when the flow of arms began, we have once again seen the US try to shift the date for involvement of the death squads inside Syria from before the chemical weapons attack to after it.

    Two completely unnecessary but very public leaks, one from Obama himself and the other from "U.S. officials and Syrian figures" have done their utmost to change the public record on when the CIA-trained groups first entered Syria. Why is it so important to the Obama administration to obscure the entry date?

    Why, indeed?

    And why would we want to ramp up a civil war in advance of possibly brokering a diplomatic deal for Syria to hand over its chemical weapons?  There's just no way we're sending the UN or any multi-national or US group into Syria to get control over the CW if there is a raging civil war going on which - five will get you ten - will be happening in areas where these weapons may be concentrated.

    I don't think this is 11-dimensional chess, I think these are some really poorly-executed efforts at prestidigitation; all we're missing are the top hat and the rabbit.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:09:06 PM EST
    I succumbed to a passing moment of hopiness there I guess. I'll try to not let it happen again.

    This is why, I'm sure...

    John Kerry's farce and Barack Obama's pirouettes are temporary. Russia's peace deal over chemical weapons will, in time, be treated with the contempt that all militarists reserve for diplomacy. With al-Qaida now among its allies, and US-armed coupmasters secure in Cairo, the US intends to crush the last independent states in the Middle East: Syria first, then Iran. "This operation [in Syria]," said the former French foreign minister Roland Dumas in June, "goes way back. It was prepared, pre-conceived and planned."  

    -- John Pilger on Wednesday

    We're still on the PNAC plan.

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    And They Must Be Sporting Sneakers... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:27:27 PM EST
    ...because just about every US government official has sworn up and down that we will not put 'boots on the ground' in Syria.

    And I agree, about the CW in a civil war.  Do they seriously believe the UN forces are just going to cruise around Syria and load up CW in the midst of a war ?

    Makes Rumsfeld belief 'that they will greet us as liberators' look profoundly intelligent.

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    Seems to me if UN inspectors (none / 0) (#71)
    by Visteo1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:40:10 PM EST
    could make it to the sight of the chemical attack, it would be possible to destroy the chemical weapons at some secure area controlled by the government.

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    Made It ? (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:16:59 PM EST
    They were fired up, a mortar was lunched and they had to delayed how many different days, and all of that in supposedly rebel controlled territory to help rebels.

    If that is the model, we are in big trouble.

    And by "some secure area controlled by the government" what government are you speaking of ?  Assad is going to provide the UN with the resources to rid him of CW during a war that if he loses means the loss of power and probably life ?

    Pretty sure his resources are tied up doing far more important things, at least to him, like restoring his government and reign.  He's not going to assist more then, if we are lucky, pointing on a map and saying that's where we left them.

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    Now if only I could (none / 0) (#60)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:46:37 PM EST
    find the patience to work on proofreading before posting, I wouldn't have so mnay tpyos. Yeesh.

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    Our Senators react: (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:23:41 AM EST
    American Exceptionalism (none / 0) (#61)
    by bocajeff on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:50:17 PM EST
    Some countries are better than others, and some are not. The goal, in my opinion, is not to rest on laurels or to denigrate others, but to set a high bar and try hard (and fail often) to reach the goal. American Exceptionalism, in my mind, is best exemplified in the Dec. of Ind. and the whole "All men are created equal" bit. The exceptionalism is that we see the errors and continue to move forward - no matter how clumsily.

    Now, we have over 100,000 people being murdered in Syria and not one country in the world is willing to stand up and do something about it. Some have no ability to help. Some have a tremendous ability to help and don't want to. And some don't care. That, it my eyes, is truly exceptional. Maybe we aren't helping because they are brown people (like Rwanda).

    And some people are better than others. The woman who works two jobs and to feed her three kids after her partner abandons them is better than the a$$hat who did the abandoning.

    We're number 1 is sometimes a jingoistic chant, but sometimes it is correct. Context is everything.

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    I could (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:35:11 PM EST
    go with that but for the fact that the murdering is happening in the context of a civil war in which neither side has clean hands.
    And we would be taking sides.

    There is also the issue of the killing of civilians by us - which invariably happens when we bomb a country. I don't like it.

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    It had nothing to do with brown-ness, (none / 0) (#113)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:55:29 AM EST
    More to do with the fact that millions of people were slaughtering other millions of people.

    WTF could anybody put in the middle of that?

    Add to that the irony of the U.N. Secretary General having been a key arms supplier to the Hutu majority (the bad guys) when he was an Egyptian government minister.

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    FBI ex-Chief Enforcer newest Federal Judge. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:22:51 AM EST
    Ex-FBI Chief Counsel Valerie Caproni has been greenlighted by the Senate for the New York federal judgeship to which President Obama nominated her.

    I've no idea whether she'll have to give up her Northrup-Grumman day job in the Military-Security Complex to take on this lifetime post of in-camera court B/S that seems to be the (unpublished) Constitutional Lawyer-in-Chief's current fetish.

    Only the Guardian and a few lonely liberals seem to have noticed and commented on the surveillance abuses for which the George "It's just a freaking piece of paper" Bush chosen FBI Chief Enforcer was directly responsible.

    Hope, Change, and Authoritarians in positions of Authority.


    Donald (none / 0) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:18:45 AM EST
    What is going on with this ecological disaster in Hawaii ?

    Looks bad, but not hitting the news wire here.

    They've got worse problems than that. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:26:57 AM EST
    A month or so ago, there was mention on NPR about the trade winds that cool Hawaii dying off or losing their windiness, probably resulting from climate change.

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    Molasses is a lucrative product of ... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:34:46 PM EST
    ... Hawaii's sugar industry, and the thick syrup is stored in huge tanks along the Honolulu waterfront prior to its shipment to the U.S. mainland. This isn't the first time this sort of spill has happened, although it's the worst such instance in my memory.

    Our office building is on the east side of harbor front across from Aloha Tower (Piers 8-10), and the spill occurred over on the west end of the harbor near Pier 52.

    If there is a bright side to this mess, it's that unlike petroleum products, molasses is an organic compound that will dissipate in the sea water, and the marine biologists at the University of Hawaii said that the marine life population at that end of the harbor will eventually recover. But in the meantime, the overabundant presence of nutrients in the water could also trigger a spike in marine algae growth, which could cause other short-term environmental impacts.

    The marine life in Honolulu harbor is actually pretty robust and highly adaptable, given the industrial environment of a major ocean transportation hub. You can walk across Nimitz Hwy. from my office to Piers 7 and 8, and you'll see all kinds of very colorful reef fish hanging out alongside the pilings and harbor walls. We even have an occasional visit from humpback whales during the winter months, which is always an event that'll get people out of their offices to venture to the waterfront.

    In the meantime, I expect that the sharks and barracuda will no doubt enjoy the unexpected bounty, and state officials were wise to warn people to avoid a major feeding area for the apex predators over the next few days. I walked over to the Aloha Tower Marketplace for lunch yesterday, and I saw a 6-foot great barracuda hovering close to the surface alongside Pier 8.

    Aloha.

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    Weird (none / 0) (#97)
    by Mikado Cat on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:45:56 PM EST
    to read about an ecological disaster, and think, gee I miss Hawaii. Nobody in the family stationed there currently, so a trip is less likely.

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    Jets / Pats Tonight (none / 0) (#26)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:25:43 PM EST
    Any predictions ?  I generally dislike the AFC, but I do love to see an entitled team like the Pats get it handed to them by a fledgling team like the Jets.

    So I will be cheering for the Jets.

    Speaking of Tebow, turns out the LA KISS wants him to play in for their arena team.  Yeah, Tebow playing for a team owned by a group that people once believed was an acronym for Knights in Satan's Service...

    You called us fledgling! (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:57:11 PM EST
    Much better than what everyone (including myself) was caling us prior to Week 1...a joke.

    Pats look ripe for the taking...injuries and defections leaving Brady few weapons.  Rexy usually game plans 'em pretty good defensively, and we've got some young stud beasts on the D line who can wreak havoc.  I won't be so bold as to predict a victory, offensively nobody lacks weapons like the Jets lack weapons, but I think we'll keep it close if we don't give the ball away...a big if.

    At least we have a QB who can run if he has too...his scramble + 15 yard personal foul to put us in position for the winning figgie last week would have never happened with Sanchez at the helm.    

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    All I Can Say... (none / 0) (#104)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 08:59:24 AM EST
    ...give me a hug, cause last night the Jets may put-up the ugliest performance I have ever seen.

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    The Pats... (none / 0) (#105)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 09:10:53 AM EST
    played pretty damn ugly too...both teams seemed to be begging to lose, but the Jets wanted to lose just a little bit more:(

    Tom Brady starting to look like Dan Marino in his old age...yelling and screaming at his receivers like a big baby. Lucky for them the AFC is so weak..or else they'd be in trouble.

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    Exactly My Point... (none / 0) (#111)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:02:58 AM EST
    ...how could the Pats have won last night ?

    Brady was hot and not seeming to understand that rookies aren't as sharp as veterans and that yelling at them isn't going to make them better.

    I hope the AFC is weak this year, the Texans are expecting a SB and right now the only barrier seems to be Payton Manning.

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    God is punishing Denver and Boulder.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by magster on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:26:22 PM EST
    with epic flooding for restricting gun rights. Weather people said that the amount of rain that has fallen in the last 24 hours would translate into 120 inches of snow. I've been siphoning out window wells with a garden hose to keep the finished part of my basement from flooding all morning.

    I have never seen rain like this in Denver area. Climate change?

    A paper cut is just a sign (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:43:14 PM EST
    that God is mildly peeved.

    Same with stubbing your toe at 3 in the morning..

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    Certainly (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mikado Cat on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:48:44 PM EST
    a climate change on anti gun laws.

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    Well, the Illinois Supreme Court struck down (none / 0) (#36)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:14:58 PM EST
    today the Illinois State law that forbade carrying a loaded gun outside the home, as facially unconstitutional.  The decision here.  Commentary here.

    No floods or climate change in Illinois.

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    Plenty (none / 0) (#98)
    by Mikado Cat on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:49:17 PM EST
    of other nasty stuff. Chicago is one of my least favorite cities, would be mean to punish it further.

    OTOH God is clearly armed, so maybe on the NRA side.

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    This rain is brutal (none / 0) (#91)
    by sj on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:26:05 PM EST
    We're having serious roof leaking at work and the office was closed today. Discovered after I got there, of course.

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    Random thought (none / 0) (#31)
    by Mikado Cat on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 12:59:00 PM EST
    Regards the guy in FL who wanted to burn a 2997 Quorans, is defaming Islam yelling fire in a crowded theater?

    The TV news in my living room said (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:16:52 PM EST
    he was busted for "felony unlicensed transportation of fuel".

    Sometimes, an all-pervasive criminal code has unanticipatedly humorous ways of playing out.

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    I would say no... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:18:11 PM EST
    it's protected speech.  Vile, hateful, ignorant protected speech.

    But like Al Capone, they found the crime to get their man when they couldn't get him for what they wanted to get him for...unlawful conveyance of fuel and unlawful open carry.

    The best way to deal with an arsehole like Pastor Jones is to ignore him.

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    Who knew FL had a criminal (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:21:33 PM EST
    statute re open carry.

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    Queston: (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:38:43 PM EST
    if someone at a funeral kicks the sh*t out of a Westboro Baptist, are they being an intolerant enemy of protected speech?

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    No... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:55:48 PM EST
    they'd be heroes.

    If they lobbied their congressperson to pass a law banning the Westboro hate parade, then they would be an enemy of free speech.

    That being said, if you really wanna stick it in Westboro's arse, you kill 'em with kindness...they hate that sh*t.

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    I Don't Know... (none / 0) (#75)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:01:40 PM EST
    ...but I would love to see Hell's Angels pull up to a couple military funerals to handle security.  Bet the WBC shenanigans would end in a hurry.

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    ... haven't quite taken over security at such funerals, they've been showing up in ever-increasing numbers at planned WBC protests -- thanks to the crackpots at WBC themselves, who post their protest schedules online -- to form human walls that shield mourners from the protestors. LINK.

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    The best public responses I've ever seen ... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:45:37 PM EST
    ... to the Rev. Fred Phelps and the haters of the Westboro Baptist Church crowd were THIS and THIS.

    Violence and its threat thereof are almost never good responses to anything. The most effective answers to hate speech are those words and deeds which both appeal to and summon forth the very best in people.

    Aloha.

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    The Pastor has Been Arrested... (none / 0) (#45)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:24:16 PM EST
    Cops said they cuffed Jones and his associate pastor, Marvin Sapp, around 5 p.m., as the men were about to start the blaze. Each faces a felony charge of unlawful conveyance of fuel. Jones was also charged with unlawful open-carry of a firearm.
     LINK

    It would be really funny if they charged him with some sort of terrorism charged related to all that kerosene.


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    That would be funny... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:35:22 PM EST
    but lets not give federal prosecutors any ideas bro...they've drummed up terrorism related charges for less.

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    My Favorite... (none / 0) (#54)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:58:25 PM EST
    Oy, vey! (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:28:17 PM EST
    This kid was stupid, no doubt about it.  But the response was clearly way, way out of line.  I have seen more than one comment on blogs on the Internet that were comparable.  Maybe we should all be worried, given the NSA sweeping up our communications.  :-(

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    Any Threat that Involves More... (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:38:56 PM EST
    ...that one person is considered a terrorist threat, which is ridiculous, but this case more so in that only an idiot would believe the kid was serious.

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    Exactly, Scott (none / 0) (#69)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:34:17 PM EST
    But sadly, this is our government at work.

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    U.S. weapons reaching Syrian rebels (none / 0) (#32)
    by Visteo1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:04:16 PM EST
    Link
    Awesome, that will certainly put the US in a position to broker a ceasefire.  We will just tell them to give back the US supplied weapons.  

    And if Assad is overthrown, will our chosen factions having been properly vetted to become US puppets?  Will their US support make them favorites of the people?

    Putin can take credit for brokering the elimination of chemical weapons in Syria, unless the US refuses to stop arming rebels.

    Who will broker the lasting ceasefire?
     

    Just my thoughts... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Visteo1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:16:18 PM EST
    Assad is a reasonable tyrrant.  He will give up chemicals, he will give up half of Syria or more; if he sees the alternative being his demise.

    It is a great thing to have the biggest stick on the block.  If you use it to bring about peace and stability, you will earn the hearts and minds of many.

    Use it to kill innocents in a world you cannot comprehend and you will have the opposite affect and make many enemies in the process.

    Show us real change President Obama...you are about halfway there.

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    With Secretary Kerry (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:46:15 PM EST
    and, his consultant, Henry Kissinger on it, what could go wrong?

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    Glad to have someone that (none / 0) (#76)
    by Visteo1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:07:14 PM EST
    does look for advice from many.

    Kerry consulted all the living former secretaries of State before taking his post early this year and checks back with them regularly, including twice in the last two days with Madeleine Albright, who held the post under Democratic President Bill Clinton, the official said.


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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#85)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:45:19 PM EST
    but look at the people he's consulting?

    What's that gonna do for him?

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    Good to have a list of (none / 0) (#89)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:10:30 PM EST
    consultants, but it is, for me, a little like those tests with the stem:   Which one of the following does not belong?    While Kissinger alone is enough to stay away from,  the secretive, Kissinger Associates and their clients and conflicts  bring it over the top.

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    There is so much to learn from those (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Visteo1 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 09:40:29 AM EST
    willing to share their insight.  You learn from advisors successes and failures.  You learn from the lowest peon to the highest leaders.  It is the one that turns his ear away from the voices of many that scare me.  The one that already knows everything, cannot admit failure and has their stiff neck set on a course of action, that is the one to fear.

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    Madeleine - half a million dead Iraqi children (none / 0) (#116)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:35:34 PM EST
    isn't too high a price to pay for those fabulously successful U.N. sanctions against Iraq - Albright?

    Great.

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    A horrible statement by Albright. (none / 0) (#120)
    by Visteo1 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:08:40 PM EST
    The sanctions did have Saddam well restrained.  

    The sanctions did cause deaths, but the 500K figure was revised over a decade ago.

     

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    The Institute for the Study of War, (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:04:45 PM EST
    a Washington think-tank  that favors an "aggressive foreign policy" (According to the Washington Post) founded by the hawkish Kimberly Kagan in 2007, fired Ms. Elizabeth O'Bagy for lying on her resume, stating that she earned a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University.

    The Wall Street Journal was not aware of her academic claims when it published her August 3l op-ed.  Moreover, the WSJ claimed that it was also unaware of her affiliation with the Syrian Emergency Task Force at the time, and published a clarification;   The think tank has found no problems with the article but the WSJ editor states that they are investigating the contents of the op-ed.  

    Senator John McCain on his trek about "moderate Syrian rebels" read from the WSJ piece to Secretary Kerry at a Senate hearing on the use of force last week, calling it "an important op-ed by Dr. Elizabeth O'Bagy."  The next day, Kerry also brought up the piece before a House Foreign Affairs hearing and recommended that members read it.

    The premature self-awarding of a PhD degree, is quite secondary, to me, than the Cheney/Judith Miller-type looping of information---The unstated affiliation with the Syrian Emergency Task Force which is a non-profit 50l-C3, pending IRS approval, organization that sub-contracts with US and British governments to provide aid to the Syrian opposition.

    The Dr. O'Bagy (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:16:04 PM EST
    The 1% takeover seems to be (none / 0) (#47)
    by NYShooter on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:27:02 PM EST
    Complete.

    The Ruling Cretans must be laughing their faces off. First, they devise the lotteries, the "you gotta be in it to win it" rip-offs and, the poorest, and least capable to take care of themselves rush off to give their lunch money to the 7-11 vendors to "make their dream come true."  Why should the 1% pay for necessary government services when they can trick the ill equipped to pay them for them? The tragedy for those poor folks, besides denying their children basic necessities, they don't even realize how the soul-less, sociopaths running the scams think of the suckers, spitting on them with utter contempt and, very literally, enjoying  inflicting the hurt on those who hurt enough just by waking up each day.

    That's the analogy I thought of when those Colorado sycophants rushed off to do the bidding of the NRA puppet masters. Lord, what fools! What sort of self-hating idiot votes out representatives of the People, not even knowing, or caring, whether they were doing a good job, or bad job, in the office they were "elected" to hold?

    Just because Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson ordered them to the polls before they had a chance to try and protect their families.

    It's the 1%'s whole playbook Shooter... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:40:14 PM EST
    divide and conquer, divide and conquer...keep us arguing about guns or gay marriage or pick your wedge issue...anything to keep our eyes off our corrupt polluted economic system.

    And thanks for reminding me...Powerball is up to 317 million! Big enough to pay some stupidity tax;)

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    Lotteries (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Mikado Cat on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:25:45 AM EST
    are the product of greedy teachers unions.

    That said a friend of my son's works in a corner store that sells a ton of lotto tickets, people ENJOY playing the lotto.

    Its serendipity, schools fail to teach math skills, their former students cheerfully fund their salaries since they have no clue about the odds.

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    Where on earth ... (none / 0) (#117)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:25:17 PM EST
    Lotteries are the product of greedy teachers unions

    ... did you come up with this little, gem of a theory?

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    I have trouble believing the 1% would (none / 0) (#52)
    by Visteo1 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:47:47 PM EST
    be in favor of arming the 99%.  I would think they might reconsider, if that truly is the case.

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    Worst case... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:55:38 PM EST
    they can pay half the poor to kill the other half.

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    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#100)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:06:59 AM EST
    there's a good thirty percent of that ninety nine that the one percent can make believe anything..

    Who pays for the televangelists private jets, the board of Goldman Sachs?,

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    In a sane country (none / 0) (#55)
    by NYShooter on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:02:01 PM EST
    your apprehensions would have some merit. But, that's why I said the takeover was "Complete."

    Why do the 1% pay Rush Limbaugh 200 million dollars? It seems he's being underpaid, as his ability to convince the knuckle dragging gun hoarders that they, and the 1%, are on the same team constitute one of life's grand mysteries.

    No, Messrs Winchester and Remington have nothing to fear.......

    knuckle dragging gun hoarders (none / 0) (#81)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:21:38 PM EST
    don't think they are on the same team as the 1 percent.  They think supercilious liberal elitists are on the same team as the 1%.  They also think people on the left are idiots for voting the way we do.  
    Congratulations on doing the dirty work of the 1 percent who know that they are safe as long as we are all fighting each other rather than looking their way.

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    Have guns but don't hoard them (none / 0) (#99)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:56:41 PM EST
    and don't drag those knuckles, and we'll all get along just fine.

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    British PM David Cameron's government ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:09:58 PM EST
    ... may be courting political disaster, if it is indeed serious about following through on its proposal to privatize postal service in the United Kingdom, by selling off the Royal Mail to private investors. Even the late former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was not willing to go there during her lengthy tenure on Downing Street, and for good reason.

    If there is one government operation that people on both sides of the Atlantic love, it's the postal service. And the Royal Mail is a highly respected institution that was founded in 1512 during the reign of Henry VIII, and the public celebrated its 500th anniversary just last year.

    Various proposals for the Royal Mail's privatization over the years, floated by Conservative and Labour governments alike, have consistently proved to be very unpopular with the British people and have always aroused tremendous public opposition, which heretofore has always caused the government to retreat quickly.

    We'll see if that's the case once again. British postal workers immediately began organizing for a nationwide strike once word leaked out of the government's plan to complete the £3 billion sale within six weeks. If the general public decides to pile on in support of the Royal Mail staff -- which I suspect they will, given past their responses on the subject -- well, look out below, Mr. Cameron.

    (Hey, BTD -- what sort of odds are you offering that David Cameron backs down? ;-D)

    Aloha.

    ..both sides love.. (none / 0) (#67)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:22:16 PM EST
    Donald, spend some time perusing the Libertarian-Right blogosphere and come back and say that..

    Not only is there a fairly significant number who think we should privatize the postal service but, not-a-few also seem to think the National Parks system could be the first step on a slippery slope to Stalinism American style..

    This kind of bizarre, quasi-paranoic ideation is more influential in politics than many people realize, sorry to say..  

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    ... may be obnoxiously loud, nevertheless very much constitute a decided minority of Americans, certainly less than 20%.

    No doubt, the wingbats' singular ability to be loud and obnoxious will most always garner them the media attention they so desperately crave, and a well-organized minority can often enjoy an outsized political influence on public policy given their numbers.

    But once the usually and otherwise disinterested majority finally decides that the yahoos have gone a bridge to far -- i.e., "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" (Barry Goldwater, 1964), and the "Bloody Sunday" incident in Selma, AL (1965) -- and arouses itself to action, the yahoos are put firmly in their place.

    Aloha.

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    P.S.: I also said ... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 04:21:14 PM EST
    ... "both sides of the Atlantic", which is a common euphemism meaning Americans and British alike

    I didn't merely say "both sides," which you seem to have interpreted as libertarian wingbats vs. the rational and reasonable.

    ;-D

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    Hunh. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:28:33 PM EST
    More than 50 years since he wrote it, and 2 more years it'll be 50 years since they released it.

    The lyrics are taken almost verbatim from the Book of Ecclesiastes.

    Handwritten lyrics to the song were among the documents donated to New York University by the Communist Party USA in March 2007.

    45% of the royalties for the song are donated to the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions because, in Seeger's own words, "[in addition to the music] I did write six words.

    A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace...

    ..........

    All of this would have been unthinkable ten years ago. And this may very well be the event that future historians look back on as the day...

    This isn't anything to cry about. The world isn't coming to an end, it's just changing. And this has been happening for thousands of years.

    Better link (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:57:58 PM EST
    Oddly enough (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:11:38 AM EST
    Pete's son is a pretty good friend of mine. In fact, I just got back from dinner with him...

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    "little boxes, on the hillside..." (none / 0) (#115)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:13:03 PM EST
    I used to know a fair number of his songs by heart.

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    Erm... (none / 0) (#106)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 09:16:36 AM EST
    lambert @ CorrenteWire:
    Dr. Shiping Bao, the Volusia County medical examiner who was in charge of handling slain-teenager Trayvon Martin's body in February 2012, has come out and claimed that the prosecution team was biased against the African-American teenager, and intentionally lost the case.
    [...snip...]
    According to the former assistant coroner, the results of Martin's autopsy clearly showed that, despite Zimmerman's statements regarding their altercation, there was no feasible way for Martin to have been on top of Zimmerman when the gun was fired, because the bullet entered Martin's back.

    -- Medical examiner whistleblower: Zimmerman shot Martin IN THE BACK, and prosecutors suppressed the evidence

    Finally, a Constitutional Amendment our (none / 0) (#114)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:11:20 PM EST
    Protector-Class can get behind:

    U.S. District Court Declares Lance Armstrong Has 1st Amendment Protected Right To Lie.

    Things may be looking up for DNI James Klapper and his Security-Industrial complex co-conspirators who find themselves forced to testify before Congress.

     

    They Shrunk Denali by 83 Feet (none / 0) (#118)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:25:20 PM EST
    Turns out that maps of Mount McKinley from the 50's put the peak at 20,320 ft, but in reality it sits at 20,237 ft.

    The good news, it still holds the 'Highest Peak in North America' title.

    LINK

    From the article:

    Alaska is known for its vast, rugged and, sometimes, dangerous landscape, a place where most communities aren't connected to the road system and residents rely heavily on airplanes for travel. Many of the state's topographical maps go back about 50 years, roughly around statehood.

    Topographic data "is the most fundamental piece of infrastructure that any state can own," said Nicholas Mastrodicasa, the state's digital mapping project manager. But before the new mapping effort got underway, he said, "Mars was better mapped than Alaska."



    Florida (none / 0) (#119)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:34:05 PM EST
    LAKELAND, Fla. (AP) -- A 12-year-old Florida girl committed suicide after she was bullied online by more than a dozen girls and a sheriff said Thursday that he is investigating whether he can file charges under Florida's new law that covers cyber-bullying.

    The story is extremely sad.

    Horrible... (none / 0) (#121)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:40:30 PM EST
    Kids can be so cruel, and the damn social media allows kids to be cruel 24/7/365. At least in our day when ya got home from school the bullying stopped for the day...now if you're on social media it follows you home into your bedroom.  

    Can't say I'm big on the cyber-bullying laws though...bullys need to be taught a lesson, but I don't think John Law is the entity to do it.  He's a bully too.  I'd rather parents and schools address it, not the f8ckin' cops.  As deplorable as it can be, I'm not sure we wanna go down the road where the stupid mean sh*t immature people type on the internet can be a crime.  

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