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    My dinner with the establishment (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 05:58:50 PM EST
    this is a pretty remarkable couple of minutes of video

    It's from the Halperin/Heileman CIRCUS series.

    It's a bunch of republican fat cats sitting around a table talking about Donald Trump.  

    THIS is why he is winning.

    This is not the whole thing but I think the whole thing is available OnDemand

    Andre wasn't free? (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:26:47 PM EST
    I had not heard of The Circus (none / 0) (#49)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 11:43:40 AM EST
    and when I watched your clip I thought it was a dramatization, with actors. I just read up on it and discovered it is real-time documentary footage. Astonishing that so many of the campaigns and back-roomers are allowing themselves to be filmed this way. Truly amazing. And the clip is just terrific.

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    Some great music for you - Parov Stelar Band (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Dadler on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:23:12 PM EST
    Of all people (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 11:55:24 PM EST
    John Cole writes a nice post about his decision to vote for Hillary in the primaries. If you remember John from '08's primary battle, "rabid Obama supporter" is an understatement. He makes a solid (and not anti-Bernie) argument in her favor here. I like the point he makes about her having the support of the establishment Dems... maybe they just... like her? Gasp.

    Where I agree with him most is that when it comes to facing the GOP, I want the whole Clinton/Obama/Dem fleet, not the outsider. I think a Clinton presidency has the potential to be a good one, and I'll work to see it.

    Glastris piece on Hillary vs. Bernie on policy (none / 0) (#48)
    by Coral on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 11:43:29 AM EST
    This piece by Paul Glastris in the is a good pro-Hillary comparison of Hillary vs. Bernie on policy. Well argued, with specific implications of their proposals. Especially health care and financial/banking reform.

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    A good read for why Hillary supporters may vote .. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Cashmere on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 12:54:12 PM EST
    for her over Bernie:  

    http://tinyurl.com/j98bfa5

    But will he listen? (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Nemi on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 07:20:17 AM EST
    It's in the realm of policy, however, where I find Bernie intellectually quite dishonest, and Hillary pretty damned honest. When you scrutinize his policy ideas, as wonky liberals have begun doing (finally) in the last couple of months, those ideas don't stand up, on a bunch of different levels.

    One of those levels is political--as in there's no way, in the foreseeable future, there will be sixty votes in the Senate, much less support in a likely GOP-controlled House, to pass single-payer health care, or break up the big banks, or reform the political campaign system, or provide free college tuition for every student. You can excuse that by saying, Well, that's his vision, his end goal, maybe not achievable in his first term but possible over time, especially if we get the "political revolution" he calls for.

    But there's a deeper level at which these policy ideas are intellectually dishonest. Even if you could somehow get them passed, practically they either wouldn't work or would be recklessly disruptive or both.

    Or will he listen to Bernie Sanders who, as he did in the Fox Town Hall, calls Hillary Clinton's objections "nonsense"? And claims that she is trying to "frighten people"?

    After having given a long-winded Wall Street-blaming non-answer to a member of the audience, about how he will get support from Congress the moderator rephrased the question a bit:

    BAIER: So how do you convince that Republican Congress to do exactly opposite of what they believe?

    SANDERS: In two ways. For a start, if I become president, it will mean that there will be a massive voter turnout.  And that's what we're seeing just the other day in Maine, where I got 64 percent of the vote in the caucus, broke their caucus record for turnout.  In Kansas, broke their caucus record.

    If I win, it will mean that young people and working class people are coming out in large sums.  If that happens, the Republicans will not continue to control the United States Senate. They'll have a lot less seat in the House.

    SANDERS: But here is the point.  If the American people begin to stand up and fight for their rights - for example, there's overwhelming support in this country, Bret, to raise the minimum wage. Republicans don't want to do it. But if Republicans look out and millions of people are engaged and say, you know what? You are going to raise the minimum wage, or you're going to learn what unemployment is, you know what will happen?

    SANDERS: Minimum wage will go up.

    He then goes on a bit about ... change. To me it sounds a whole lot more like wishful thinking than actual change. But then I'm the pragmatic.

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    Bernie (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 08:02:29 AM EST
    does not listen to anyone other than himself. That is the most clueless statement I think I have ever heard. More revolutionary rhetoric. Does he think we are going to have a national caucus in November?

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    The "he" in my headline (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Nemi on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 06:26:16 AM EST
    was ment as a reference to the young man the writer in the linked article adresses. :)

    But other than that I agree with you. Also he, Bernie Sanders, should quit mentioning himself by full name, in the third person. Makes him sound like his own fanboy. Which he probably is, but still ...

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    Bob Dole (none / 0) (#107)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 07:22:23 AM EST
    Use to refer to himself in the third person too.

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    It's the Brand Name he's repeating. (none / 0) (#120)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 07:43:07 AM EST
    It's not a reference to whomever he once was.  That man is buried deep under a prolix phalanx of policy pablum and passably plausible platitudes.

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    Bloomberg: (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by NYShooter on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 05:17:38 PM EST
    Bloomberg was never going to run. (none / 0) (#157)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:28:00 AM EST
    ===============

    LINK

    US Election 2016: Michael Bloomberg's presidential campaign was at a very advanced stage before he pulled out

    "The billionaire's team had commissioned TV ads, built a website and even vetted a prospective running mate, retired admiral Mike Mullen, the former chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff

    Former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg laid all the groundwork necessary for a major presidential campaign before abandoning his plans for an independent candidacy over concerns that he might clear a path to the White House for Donald Trump.

    Mr Bloomberg had hired dozens of campaign
    staffers who spent months preparing for his potential presidential run, it has emerged. He paid for strategists to conduct polling in more than 20 states, and opened campaign offices in Texas and North Carolina.

    The campaign built a website and commissioned television advertisements promoting the 74-year-old as a pragmatic, centrist technocrat who could solve problems free from the pressures of party ideology, according to details leaked to The New York Times. Planned campaign slogans included: "All Work and No Party".

    The billionaire's plans were so far advanced that he had even vetted a prospective running mate, retired admiral Mike Mullen, the former chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. He also discussed his intentions with US Vice-president Joe Biden and the British Prime Minister David Cameron."

    ==============

    p.s. Donald, you should have said, "here's why I believe Bloomberg would have a very difficult time should he decide to go forward with his Presidential run." Instead, you made it sound like he was being disingenuous with his pronouncement of running......"Bloomberg was never going to run."


    Clearly he was serious (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 06:34:23 PM EST
    I take him at his word.  He doesn't want to elect Trump.  If it had been anyone else I think he might have gone for it.

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    I always (none / 0) (#66)
    by FlJoe on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 06:50:09 PM EST
    thought he was locked and loaded to go if Hillary stumbled, thinking there was plenty of room for him between Sanders and Trump, the probability of that happening is rapidly approaching zero so he wisely bailed.

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    I think he might have (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 06:54:03 PM EST
    Even if it was Hillary.   She is not a perfect candidate.   Based n his comments he didn't want to elect Trump.   I find that easy enough to believe.

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    ... in all 50 states? I agree that my choice of words was very poor. What I had meant was that Bloomberg had no realistic chance of running given the obstacles in front of him.

    Since Ross Perot last ran for president 20 years ago, our two major parties could at least agree on one thing, and they made damned sure that it's no longer so easy to qualify for the ballot anymore as an independent presidential candidate.

    What Bloomberg effectively needed to do here was set up 50 state organizations from scratch, of which each would function as a de facto political party in each state, in order to support his independent candidacy. In turn, each one of those organizations would have needed to qualify for the ballot on his behalf in each state by springtime of this year.

    That's what gives those who run as a presidential candidate in one of our two major political parties an edge. Democratic and Republican candidates already qualify automatically for the primary / caucus ballot in all 50 states by virtue of their respective memberships in either party. They don't have to spend an inordinate amount of time (and money) mounting 50 statewide petition drives, which is an absolutely enormous and daunting undertaking. That why Bernie Sanders chose to run as a Democrat, and not as an independent Socialist.

    I'm afraid that all Bloomberg did was waste a lot of money on consultants. If he was really that serious, he'd have really been much better off rejoining the GOP and running as a Republican.

    Dozens of media consultants, pollsters and campaign strategists, a prospective running mate and millions of dollars in ad buys weren't going to cut it, when Bloomberg actually needed several million people at the ready across the country to sign the necessary petitions in very short order in every single state. That was unlikely to ever happen, given the short time frame here.

    Aloha.

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    As I said (none / 0) (#111)
    by NYShooter on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 02:10:05 PM EST
    in my response to your first comment, "Bloomberg was never going to run," I don't know how it could be interpreted in any other way than Bloomberg being dishonest, and having some kind of hidden agenda other than what he clearly stated. If you're now saying you didn't mean it that way, and, it was just an unfortunate, poor choice of words, fine. It's a blog, we all write fast, and what comes out is not alwys exctly how we meant it to be. Everybody does it, you cleared it up, so let's move on.

    I respect the fact that you're very knowledgable about the "nuts & bolts" of political campaigns. Michael Bloomberg, I'm sure you'll agree, is also. So, the question is, why would a guy whose had this tremendous amount of experience in big-time politics, and, an almost endless source of personal funds, go on a quixotic journey that's, as you claim, virtually, impossible to be successful? Doesn't he know what you know?

    If your answer is, "yes," then we're back to the question, " why did he do it?" My answer would be to simply take the reason he gave at face value. He factored in the difficulties that you described, knew they would be very hard to overcome, but, in the end,  were doable. But, before pulling the trigger, he couldn't resolve to his satisfaction, the ultimate dillema. Would his entering the race prove more beneficial than harmful to Donald Trump?

    Simple.

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    "My Gen X Hillary problem: (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 08:34:17 AM EST
    I know why we don't "like" Clinton"

    - Hana Shank, Salon

    I suspect that the millennial women who are supporting Bernie may simply not have gotten to a place in life where they've experienced this kind of chronic, internalized, institutional sexism. In order for someone to ignore you at a senior level, you need be old enough to have reached that level, and most millenials aren't quite there yet. They're still where I was in my early 30s, hopeful that we've come through the other side to a post-sexist world. Because nothing says "sexism is dead" like a woman voting for Bernie.

    As much as we may want the battle to be over, the truth is that there is still much more to fight for. I understand that Hillary may not feel to voters like the perfect candidate in the same way that I don't feel to clients like the perfect technology consultant. I understand what it's like to be the most qualified person in the room and still be overlooked in favor of the charismatic guy just because, well, you'd rather have a beer with him. And I know that until the world sees what it looks like for this country to have a female president, we're going to forever be finding reasons not to vote for one.  I'm done finding those reasons. I'm voting for Hillary.



    FWIW... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 09:38:47 AM EST
    ...I am X Gener and I am 45.

    My GF put it to me the other day, "I simply don't like Hillary Clinton".  I agree.  I can't quantify it and I don't think others can either.  She is excellent on paper, but when I see her on the TV, I cringe at the prospect of having her as President for 8 years for no other reason that i don't like her.

    I do think it's funny to read people who like/dislike a candidate try to explain why others feel differently.  They tend to connect with people who feel the same way, but rarely manage to accurately explain why.

    Has it never occurred HS that there are a lot of places people work where such non-sense doesn't exist ?  Or that some people, not destined for greatness, don't really put a priority on a glass ceilings that they can't or don't want to come anywhere near.  Maybe people who have lost a lot of wealth because of the WS and the housing collapse have different priorities than sexism that they have never experienced.  Or the zillion other reasons people pick a candidate that aren't related to gender.


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    I would also offer that ... (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 06:06:17 PM EST
    ... a quarter century's worth of near-daily demonization of the Clintons by the Republican Party has likely had a deleterious effect upon some people's public and personal perceptions of them. A steady and force-fed diet of unsubstantiated innuendo and hearsay can eventually corrode even the most independent of personal judgments.

    Aloha.

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    Bingo (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 06:23:15 PM EST
    It is amazing the tripe I read and hear from supposed liberals who parrot Republican talking pounts. "Untrustworthy" and "unlikeable" cime to mind.

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    If you don't like someone (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 08:07:19 PM EST
     Don't like them. At least you are not saying it is because of some deep,dark flaw on her part. Are you?

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    well.. (none / 0) (#94)
    by linea on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 08:28:43 PM EST
    i think maybe he is simply unable to articulste his FEELING why he doesnt like her.  that may well be a flaw on hillary's part.

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    Well no (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 08:42:55 PM EST
    It isn't Hillary's responsibility to help him articulate how he FEELS about her.  That's about him.  No one can change how someone feels about someone else  - you can only change yourself.

    He doesn't like her.  I don't think we need to psychoanalyze him or put a burden on HRC that isn't hers.  She can put out plans and a vision - if he isn't in a frame of mind to accept that, then she could stand on her head and spit nickels,  and it wouldn't change his mind.

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    Nonsense (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 09:01:22 PM EST
    It her fault if he doesn't like her.

    It's her fault if he doesn't trust her.

    Don't you watch tv?

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    why is that nonsense? (none / 0) (#100)
    by linea on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 10:15:26 PM EST
    i dont understand the TV reference. what if you FEEL somebody doesnt have your best interest at heart or FEEL they are insincere? why are feelings bad?

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    Feelings aren't bad (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 05:06:32 AM EST
    And if they are the reason Scott doesn't want to vote for HRC, so be it.

    But it isn't on HRC to make you FEEL better.  She's running for president, not as a therapist. She can tell you her vision and tell you her plans, but only you can choose how you react to it.  You can believe hyoe and spin and talking points, or you can do your own research and make up your own mind.  She isn't going to hold your hand and stroke your hair.

    I FEEL a lot of things about a lot of politicians - those FEELINGS may change from day to day. But in the end, this campaign is a job interview, plain and simple. Personally, I will be voting for someone who I think can best do the job based on things like proposals and experience. I'm not voting on who will be my new best friend.  

    But if you want to vote based on FEELINGS, then that's certainly your right, but then you stand a very good chance that your FEELINGS are going to be hurt, and often.

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    Maybe why a slogan like (none / 0) (#105)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 06:10:12 AM EST
    "Feel the Bern" is more of a turnoff for a lot of us.

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    Did you see (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 08:34:20 AM EST
    The 10 minute teaser of the new season of The Americans that starts next week?

    Speaking of TV.

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    There's (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 03:21:03 PM EST
    a lot of truth in that article. I never thought there was such a thing as sexism when I was college. I thought everybody was treated the same, paid equal pay for equal work until I got out of college into the real world and found out that what I learned in college as far as that went was pure fantasy.

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    flipside (none / 0) (#81)
    by CST on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 03:43:12 PM EST
    I've known since highschool.  Such is the life of a female STEM major.

    Although to be honest in the women I know who are in their 30s, it comes out more in our personal lives than professional ones.  It's all well and good to believe in equality but it's another thing entirely to actually practice it at home.  It can get especially complicated if you have kids and mom is the breadwinner.  Or if one of you has to move for a job.

    I have faith in both the men and women of my generation to work it out, but it's not just about equal opportunity in the workplace.

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    No (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 04:46:40 PM EST
    it's really not just about the workplace for sure and frankly your generation actually seems to be better at working out the home situation than previous generations.

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    well... (none / 0) (#91)
    by linea on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 07:47:38 PM EST
    i disgree with the premise of this article; that because younger women aren't in executive positions they haven't experienced "internalized" sexism.

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    My vote for next Tuesday (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 06:59:25 PM EST
    is already in the books. With well over one million having already voted in Florida, I'll have to excuse Hillary for not noticing I've voted for her twice now...in 2008 and 2016, and hoping for a 3rd time in 2020.

    Trump Hitting Rubio Hard Before Florida (none / 0) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 05:56:56 PM EST
    That ad (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:18:20 PM EST
    shows exactly what we have been saying about Rubio all along.

    Did you see the commenter that said Rubio should go back to being the towel boy at a hotel? Sounds like a typical comment from a Trump supporter.

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    "the subject was towels..." (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:26:21 PM EST
    The recent debate lacked only the sound and sting of snapping towels to capture the full adolescent male locker room experience.

    The stench they captured perfectly.

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    While (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:56:50 PM EST
    I agree with the adolescent thing I'm pretty sure the commenter was more or less making a bigoted statement about Rubio because of him being Hispanic.

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    Meh (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:03:50 PM EST
    In the last debate Marco said several times if Donald had not gotten millions from his father he would be selling watches in Manhattan.

    Excuse me if I'm nit that offended by a Marco towel boy comment.

    I share the widespread shock and horror at the flameout of Marco NOT at all.

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    Well (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:56:55 PM EST
    this is not something Donald said just one of his supporters. I just found it typical of Donald's supporters. Not like I didn't already know they are bigots but they have now become loud and proud bigots just like Donald.

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    Rubio's been doing a lot of advertising ... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:46:20 PM EST
    ... out here in the islands in advance of tomorrow's GOP caucuses. I haven't seen ads for any other GOP candidate, though.

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    Why the O.J. Simpson mini series is great (none / 0) (#3)
    by McBain on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:07:18 PM EST
    Right here

    "He's never going to stop being the Juice!"

    Interesting (none / 0) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:16:06 PM EST
    CNN reports "some advisers telling Rubio to drop out before FL", Rubio camp denies, CNN doesn't back down. Some kind of ratfkng going on.

    Probably (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:19:59 PM EST
    the "establishment". I mean if they are wanting to get rid of Trump they have to start getting these other people out of the primary.

    But honestly after this past weekend the handwriting is on the wall.

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    I would guess (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:22:48 PM EST
    They are saying don't lose if you want a political future in FL.   IMO he should listen.  And I still think he might.  But I'm starting to doubt it.  He probably would be very happy as a lobbyist

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    You (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:43:27 PM EST
    guessed right, almost word for word, again according to CNN. I'm not buying it, he had the best poll he has seen in months in FL. At this point I don't see how running away from the fight is better  than showing up and taking his beating like a man. Matter of fact there is a certain archetype Republican that does rise out the ashes of embarrassing defeats.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 06:47:39 PM EST
    When I first made that comment a week or so ago he was more than 20 points behind.  Donald will probably not win by 20.

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    Cruz more dangerous to me (none / 0) (#11)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:14:51 PM EST
    in reading about Cruz he appears to be far more dangerous than Trump with his religious fanaticism...


    I agree (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:17:44 PM EST
    I think.  But Cruz would be a far more predictable candidate than Trump and so preferable.   As a candidate.

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    but the damage a religious (none / 0) (#20)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:11:47 PM EST
    fanatic could do would be incredible...by joining church and state and making laws against gay rights etc. it would be scary to me...some of his enforcers are already calling for death to gays...

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    I know (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:20:55 PM EST
    I was reading abut the criminalize the gayz guy today.

    Here's the thing.  Hillary could beat Cruz easily.  Like, easily.  He's despicable.   His own party despises him.  Every demographic advantage democrats have would be in play.

    Trump.  That's a whole different thing.  Sure the republican establishment is sh!tting bricks but Google Trump and electoral math and you can read some of the few million words that have been written lately about how he could  scramble the map is ways we can't even predict.
    I think Hillary would win but it would be way more unpredictable.

    I would take predictable Ted given a choice.


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    I thought that (none / 0) (#24)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:28:47 PM EST
    in recent national polling, Cruz beat Hillary more than Trump...Maybe I am mistaken as my memory is playing tricks on me lately....I just worry that Sanders is hurting Hillary more than needed by his personal attacks...

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    National head to head polls (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:34:47 PM EST
    Are pretty meaningless IMO.

    I think she would beat Ted like a borrowed mule

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    from your mouth to Gods ears. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:45:45 PM EST
    Meanwhile heard Joe Bidens joke at the gridiron club Saturday night about Cruz.
    He said nominate Cruz to the Supreme Court and pretty soon you would have eight vacancies LOL...

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    Why Are These Polls Meaningless? (none / 0) (#41)
    by RickyJim on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 08:39:42 AM EST
    Link  I think they at least indicate that Cruz has narrowed the gap considerably in the past year.

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    A few reasons (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 08:58:43 AM EST
    1. We don't have a national election in this country.  We vote by state in a winner-take-all electoral race.

    2. It's hard to compare head to head match ups when there are multiple people in the race.  How many people who support Cruz would not support Rubio, etc.

    3. SO many things can happen between now and Election Day.  Remember, in 2008, no one gave the Republicans a chance after the disaster known as the GWB presidency, yet coming out of the convention, McCain was ahead of Obama by 5 points. Then Lehman Brothers collapsed.  That was the turning point fir a lot of people.


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    All that said (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:39:41 PM EST
    I think Donald will be the nominee.   And have for a long time.

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    I agree with your analysis. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 07:56:25 AM EST
    I believe that if Trump were NOT the nominee, many of his supporters will just stay home. Possibly in droves. That will give the Dems the opportunity to come and elect their nominee. Unfortunately, Trump appeals to many would might normally vote Democratic. Cruz does not.

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    Left brain/right brain (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:29:49 AM EST
    The comment you replied to was my left brain.   But there is another part of my brain.  The Dark Side.  That part would like to see Trump win the nomination.   One reason for that can be found in that CIRCUS clip I posted upthread.  I want to see the guys around that table lose.  I want to see Haley Barber, James Inhofe, Mitt Romney and the whole freaking peanut gallery lose.  I really really do.
    But it's more.  And its explained well in a New York mag thing from John Chaitt.

    Representative Steve Scalise, the House majority whip, has ties to the white-supremacist movement and once described himself as "David Duke without the baggage." Nothing Trump has said about immigrants, the Ku Klux Klan, or anything else violates the GOP's baseline standards. The problem is that he implicitly proposes to invert the party's hierarchy, prioritizing its right-wing social resentments while tolerating ambiguity on economics. And his popularity suggests that maybe average Republicans aren't maniacally obsessed with shrinking government after all.

    By making race and nationalism the text rather than the subtext of Republican politics, Trump threatens not only the party's agenda but the self-conception of its intellectual class. The conservative movement seized control of the Republican Party momentarily in 1964 during Barry Goldwater's candidacy, and completely in the decades to come. It succeeded in large part because many whites, especially in the working class, identified the GOP as the party that would protect their security and tax dollars from black people. Conservatives prefer to deny this history.


    Why, Exactly, Is Trump Driving Conservatives So Crazy?

    My left brain understands that Cruz would be less risky.  But The Dark Side could find positive things in a Trump candidacy.

    And I still think we would win.

    And honestly does anyone think a Cruz/Hillary campaign would be less dirty or disgusting than a Trump/Hillary campaign?

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    I agree with you (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:54:28 AM EST
    on Trump. Frankly I can see an upside to both candidates. With Trump I see the same things. With Cruz I see it a total defeat of the evangelical Dominionist political movement. However, I see more of an upside to Trump loss as evangelicals already have an idea that they are pretty much a spent political philosophy where as the Trump supporters believe that they represent far more than their numbers and that there are ton of people that agree with them but won't speak out.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:33:18 PM EST
    I know Ted is touting the support of the kill the gays preacher but is more directly connected to this guy-


    Cruz Campaign's Michigan State Legislative Co-Chair Wants To Outlaw Homosexuality

    LINK

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    Erin Andrews wins $55 million lawsuit (none / 0) (#16)
    by McBain on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:46:26 PM EST
    against Nashville Marriott at Vanderbilt.  
    A jury has awarded Erin Andrews $55 million in her lawsuit against a stalker who bought a hotel room next to her and secretly recorded a nude video, finding that the hotel companies and the stalker shared in the blame.

    I find this part troubling....

    CBS News watched as the jurors left the courtroom, and as they walked by Andrews she thanked each of them. CBS News' Anna Werner said at least two jurors hugged Andrews on their way out, one even asked for an autograph.



    The Hotel Partners (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:14:13 PM EST
    West End Hotel Partners and Windsor Capital Group are responsible for slightly less than half the total, $27 million. The stalker is responsible for the rest which Andrews obviously will never see.

    Good for Erin Andrews fighting against a wrong. The troubling part isn't her thanking the jurors. The troubling part is a hotel chain assisting someone stalking a customer by giving out her room number and then putting him in a room next to her at his request.

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    Why is it troubling to you? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 07:51:50 PM EST
    Is it because they came to sympathize with her during the trial? Jurors are not robotrons. While they are supposed to enter a trial proceeding without any preconceived bias regarding the plaintiffs and defendants, there's nothing in the rules which stipulates that they can't develop a bias during the course of the proceedings as the evidence is presented to them.

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    Asking for an autograph is a little more than (none / 0) (#22)
    by McBain on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:14:33 PM EST
    sympathizing. I'm assuming there will be a lengthy appeal process.  I wonder if something like that will matter much?

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    ... before the trial had actually commenced or even during the proceedings, I'd offer that you might have a valid point. But seriously, after it's all over and the jury's been discharged? Unless one of those jurors goes on TV later and confesses that "yeah, the fix was in and she bought us all off," I don't see any problem here.

    And good for Ms. Andrews! What happened to her at the hands of the defendants was unconscionable. Marriot is absolutely liable for having facilitated that little creep Michael Barrett's stalking, which damaged both her reputation and her career. Andrews' former employer ESPN initially suspended her after Barrett's nude video of her became public, and then wouldn't let her return to the airwaves until she swore in a personal interview with network management that the incident was not a publicity stunt.

    Everyone has the expectation and right to personal privacy, including celebrities and on-air media personalities. The Nashville Marriot should admit their culpability in the matter, learn their lesson and make the requisite changes, and then move on.

    Aloha.

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    Maybe you're OK with it (none / 0) (#36)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 02:30:58 AM EST
    but I'm curious how people would have felt after the O.J. Simpson, Casey Anthony or George Zimmerman criminal trials if a juror asked for their autograph.

    One thing for sure, the Andrews legal team did well in the voir dire process.    

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    Fthose were criminal cases (none / 0) (#37)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 04:39:34 AM EST
    And it would have been creeoier as those were all defendants.

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    It's Just Plain Odd... (none / 0) (#54)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 01:37:37 PM EST
    ... to ask for an autograph of a reporter whose biggest claim to fame is the very trial that juror was at.

    The amount is absurd, people die and get maimed and don't get that kind of money.

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    There is no question that ... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 03:45:55 PM EST
    ... Erin Andrews was seriously harmed both professionally and personally by the public release of that nude video by one of the co-defendants.

    As I noted above, Andrews was subsequently suspended from her job by ESPN, for no other reasons than network management's own Victorian Era-worthy views about women's bodies, and a grievously mistaken initial assumption by that management that she had perpetrated the video's release as part of some publicity stunt.

    Further, she was not allowed to return to the airwaves until she had sufficiently groveled before the powers that be and assured them that it was otherwise. And if that wasn't bad enough, she was then compelled by ESPN to go on television and talk publicly about her experience. She was thus victimized thrice over by virtue of being a woman working in what's long been considered a man's universe, and I'm sure the emotional and mental duress she endured was at times overwhelming.

    As far as the $55 million judgment is concerned, jurors will often render large awards in civil cases to send a clear and unequivocal public message to the defendant(s) in those cases that they find especially troubling or egregious -- particularly when one of the defendants is a tone-deaf hotel owner who has heretofore shown little or no remorse over his own employees' role in causing harm to the plaintiff(s).

    Aloha.

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    Sounds Like An Lawsuit Against ESPN (none / 0) (#59)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 04:22:12 PM EST
    But her career is at a better spot than before the video, which undermines the entire argument.  Where is the harm, if she had told ESPN 'no' and lost her job, then there would be damage.  But for someone who is at a better spot career wise, she can't make the claim that her career was damaged.

    I am not saying she wasn't harmed, she definitely was, just not harmed $55M worth and I think when all is said and done, she will end up with what she deserves, which is around $5M.

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    There are other lawsuits still pending. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 07:25:28 PM EST
    Perhaps the jury's verdict in this trial will prompt the other defendants to settle out of court. And for the record, Ms. Andrews no longer works for ABC / ESPN, having since left that network in 2012 to join Fox Sports. She's also co-host of Fox TV's "Dancing With the Stars."

    Taking the stand on her own behalf during the trial, Andrews broke down while recounting her treatment at the hands of ABC / ESPN management, who clearly sought to exploit her ordeal for their own benefit by forcing her to go on ABC-TV's "Good Morning America" to address her situation publicly and in detail, before they'd allow her to resume her duties as a sports reporter. That video of her undressing went viral, and has been seen by an estimated 17-20 million people.

    Even ESPN Magazine further parlayed the network's conventional wisdom at the time in print, which was that the nude video may have been part of some crazy publicity stunt Ms. Andrews had concocted on her own behalf. When discussing the scandal on the air, her male ESPN colleagues openly commented about her allure and sex appeal, as the accompanying videos of her slowly lingered on her body far longer than they needed to be.

    So, yeah, I would hope that ABC and ESPN are lawsuit defendants, as well. Their treatment of Erin Andrews ex post facto was both craven and despicable. Who can really blame her for bailing on them at her first available opportunity?

    As it was, Andrews was kept off the air for nearly a year. At her very first assignment after she returned to work, a college football player was shown live over the airwaves standing behind her in camera shot, engaging in a lewd and suggestive dance while her back was turned to him. She was repeatedly and derogatorily referenced in numerous ESPN chatrooms as "Erin Pageviews." And years later, as has been documented in both print and video, people are still taunting her in public about that hotel room video.

    "This could have been stopped. The Nashville Marriott could have just called me and said 'We're putting this man that requested to be next to you, is this OK?' and I would have called the cops and we would have gotten him. It could have stopped this. [...] I just wanted to be the girl next door who loved sports. Now, I'm the girl with a hotel scandal. [...] This happens every day of my life, either I get a tweet or somebody makes a comment in the paper or somebody sends me a still of the video to my Twitter or someone screams it at me in the stands and I'm right back to this. I feel so embarrassed and I am so ashamed."
    -Erin Andrews, testifying in court (February 29, 2016)

    As far as the $55 million judgment is concerned, I think it's unlikely that Ms. Andrews will ever see more than 20% of that amount. I fully expect an appeals judge to eventually reduce -- but not absolve -- the hotel's culpability in facilitating the efforts of Andrews' stalker Michael Barrett. From Mr. Barrett himself, she'll probably see little if any restitution.

    So, regarding the actual damage inflicted upon Erin Andrews' career and person, I would offer that it's likely significant and further incalculable because it's still ongoing. Still further, it's really neither up to you nor I nor anyone else who wasn't there to be speculating about any actual monetary costs.

    Suffice to say that neither of us would enjoy being subjected to that sort of gratuitous personal abuse she's had to endure on a daily basis. I mean, where exactly does one go and who does one see in order to recover his or her personal reputation, after something like this occurs? Therefore, the jurors considered all the facts and rendered their decision, which I personally believe to be quite fair.

    Aloha.

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    I don't get it either (none / 0) (#56)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 03:54:56 PM EST
    Here's a CNN article that explains why she won't get anywhere  near
    $55 million.
    "It's an extraordinarily high verdict - one of the highest ever in that state," said Callan. "Juries love to send messages, but appellate courts love to contradict the message."

    Sometimes, I think juries do the plaintiff a disservice by reaching a ridiculously high jury award. The defendant will appeal and drag out the process.  This should have probably been an under 10 million award.   And no autograph!

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    When an appeals court affirms a verdict (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 04:22:01 PM EST
    but vacates or reverses an excessive award of damages, it is not "contradicting" the jury, it is confining the jury's perhaps overly emotional reaction within the rational bounds placed on it by law. A verdict of this kind typically leads to a settlement, by the way. The plaintiff takes a lesser (but still substantial) amount of money in hand, in exchange for the defendant agreeing not to appeal. Everyone comes out ahead.

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    What do you predict for a settlement? (none / 0) (#63)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 05:55:24 PM EST
    Between $1 million (none / 0) (#72)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:33:42 PM EST
    and $5 million? And only that high because of the defendant hotel's staff's outrageous negligence and behavior. But I certainly could be wrong. I'm no expert on civil litigation. What were her out-of-pocket losses (lost salary, cost of therapy, etc.) plus something for the embarrassment and humiliation? Take that number and multiply times 3-4, as a rule of thumb for punitive damages.

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    An observation. (none / 0) (#82)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 03:45:00 PM EST
    Jury's often seem to be criticized by some of the citizenry  for large awards to an aggrieved individual from culpable big corporations and hope that the awards will be reduced. Need to look  out for the big corporation. Because fairness.  Just don't bailout or give loans to Wall Street or auto manufacturers even if the purpose is to help citizens, such as to avoid decades long deflation or a meltdown of the entire economy. Bad to look out for corporations, because fairness.    

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    Podcasts!! (none / 0) (#26)
    by magster on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 08:33:35 PM EST
    I am the biggest broncos fan ever, but I am getting tired of listening to Denver sports' radio, so I've turned to downloading podcasts on my phone and listening to the podcast on my commute. I really like Daily Kos radio with David Waldman and Greg Dworkin, and the 538 election podcasts. Any other good election podcast suggestions?

    Because I'm a basic civics nerd (none / 0) (#33)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 09:38:03 PM EST
    I was most shocked by Trump recently, of all the many reasons to be shocked, talking about his sister the federal judge, that she had "signed a bill" concerning abortion rights, meaning that she had authored a court opinion. That kind of basic lack of understanding (ignorance, really) of the difference between what a judge or court does and what a legislator (or chief executive) does in our legal system, and what the vocabulary is that explains the difference, at a level any 10th grader should have command of, has me flummoxed. (His sister, by the way, is an excellent judge.)

    the comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 07, 2016 at 10:10:25 PM EST
    was deleted for name-calling (as to Trump.) The names were potentially libelous.

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    With Mississippi and Michigan today (none / 0) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 06:40:00 AM EST
    on the Dem side, there isn't much doubt as to which column the vast majority of delegates will fall when results are tabulated.

    Michigan (147 delegates)
    538 Clinton +23
    RCP Clinton +21

    Mississippi (41 delegates)
    538 Clinton +65
    RCP Clinton +44

    Yes Clinton should win handily (none / 0) (#44)
    by smott on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:50:06 AM EST
    And increase her lead....

    And has Sanders turned up the attack heat? He has seemed much more aggressive last few days including the debate. More negative towards Clinton.  Also the BNR stuff. Dunno if he thinks he can still win...?

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    In the GOP Florida primary (none / 0) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 06:52:42 AM EST
    The Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel endorses...no one.

    Trump - "The presidency is serious business, not reality television. Trump may be entertaining, but he lacks the experience and temperament to be president. He does not deserve your vote."

    Rubio - "Rubio lacks the experience, work ethic and gravitas needed to be president. He has not earned your vote."

    Cruz - "Cruz scares us. He also should scare Republicans who want to win in November. Cruz has not earned your vote."

    Kasich - "Perhaps in a more-rational election year, the Sun Sentinel would endorse John Kasich. But we can't urge you to vote for someone who doesn't have a chance of winning the nomination."

    Something (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 10:42:48 AM EST
    Leave it to Chris Matthews to cite (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 11:00:26 AM EST
    voting blocks from 30 years ago as if they are carved in stone.

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    If it only (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 12:19:14 PM EST
    were him it would be one thing but it's not.

    The only thing that shows me Trump is a problem is the reaction of the GOP who wants to win. I'm guessing that there has to be some internal polling that shows that Donald is a big problem for them. Otherwise IMO they would be licking his boots.  

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    Yes....msut be hard to sort out what (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 12:49:49 PM EST
    would be a bigger problem for them - 1 - losing, 2 - winning and not really being a conservative, 3- winning and being out in the open every horrible thing conservationism has become in private and killing the GOP brand for a generation.

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    I think (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 04:30:32 PM EST
    the worst would be losing. And then would be number three. Number two is the one they really could care less about and it seems that even the GOP is running against conservatism these days.

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    Rolling Stones (none / 0) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 12:22:41 PM EST
    Can't remember if this has been mentioned, but they are doing a free concert in Havana on the 25th.
    The Rolling Stones will perform a groundbreaking concert in Havana, Cuba on Friday March 25, 2016.  The free concert will take place at the Ciudad Deportiva de la Habana and will be the first open air concert in the country by a British Rock Band.  Always exploring new horizons and true pioneers of rock, the Stones, who have toured every corner of the globe, will bring their high octane performance and incredible music catalogue to the Caribbean for the first time ever.
    LINK

    This entire event is being made possible by the benefaction of Fundashon Bon Intenshon on behalf of the island of Curaçao. Fundashon Bon Intenshon initiates and supports international charitable projects in the fields of education, athletics, cultural literacy, healthcare and tourism as well as other attempts to mitigate the impact of general poverty.


    Better ambassadors... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 09:44:26 AM EST
    for the western decadent capitalist lifestyle are hard to find...let the unfettered cultural exchange begin! It's good for everybody, especially the cats who make it to the Ciudad Deportiva de la Habana el 25 de Marzo.

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    thanks for mentioning that (none / 0) (#102)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 03:27:25 AM EST
    I had no idea they were doing that. I think it's great.

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    Maryland court rules Porter must tesitfy (none / 0) (#57)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 04:07:23 PM EST
    against the other cops in the Freddie Gray trials...

    Jason Ott, a Baltimore defense lawyer who has been watching the case closely, said he was shocked by the ruling. Ott said compelling Porter to testify while his own charges remain pending could have an impact on his case -- the reason for the Fifth Amendment protection from self-incrimination.

    Ott said he believes the charges should never have been brought and that the evidence remains thin. Still, the defense cases just got more difficult, he said.

    Sounds like more nonsense in the name of social justice.

    If he is compelled to testify, over his objection (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 04:26:29 PM EST
    based on the Fifth Amendment privilege, then Porter will have automatic immunity from any future prosecution (state or federal) that makes any use, direct or indirect, of his own testimony. Proving a lack of taint will be a heavy burden for prosecutors in any future case against him. It actually puts him in a pretty good position.

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    Can you explain that a bit? (none / 0) (#64)
    by McBain on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 05:59:11 PM EST
    When you say over his objection, do you mean before he gets on the witness stand?  And what do you mean by compelled to testify?  Even if he says he wants to invoke his 5th can he be compelled?  

    Thanks

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    "Compelled," in this context, means (none / 0) (#68)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 07:09:25 PM EST
    ordered by a judge to testify after claiming the protection of the Fifth Amendment privilege (which is what I meant by "over objection"). I'm not going to say any more until I read the Maryland Supreme Court opinion.

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    ooh, very interesting (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:04:17 PM EST
    It's simply an order, "for reasons to be stated in an opinion to be filed later." (And the name of the highest court of the state of Maryland is the "Court of Appeals," not the "Supreme Court." My mistake.) So without reading the lawyers' briefs (which I'm not going to do) none of us would be in any position to say whether the ruling is persuasive, at this point.

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    do you know... (none / 0) (#101)
    by linea on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 10:21:25 PM EST
    can this be appealed to a federal district court? he is at risk of a DOJ charges. as i understand it he diesnt have full immunity.

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    No, he can't. The federal courts (none / 0) (#109)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 09:33:43 AM EST
    are not an appellate system that sits above the state courts. They are basically parallel. The only possible appeal from a decision of the Maryland Court of Appeals would be to the Supreme Court of the U.S., and even then there are technical aspects to the Supreme Court's jurisdiction that might prevent that sort of appeal at this time. As to the possibility of later federal charges, if the Maryland courts err in their Fifth Amendment ruling, then the use-and-fruits immunity that the witness automatically acquires from testifying under compulsion and after proper objection is equally applicable in any subsequent federal criminal case as it is in the Maryland case.

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    oh... (none / 0) (#118)
    by linea on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 06:17:15 PM EST
    thank you!!

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 08, 2016 at 09:31:46 PM EST
    The Wachowski brothers (Matrix Trilogy, V for Vendeta, Jupiter Ascending) are now officially the Wachowski sisters.

    The second sibling has come out as transgendered.

    So 538 (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 03:22:12 PM EST
    is now admitting what I said a long time ago: Marco Rubio has no constituency in the GOP.

    i went to his website and... (none / 0) (#92)
    by linea on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 07:50:52 PM EST
    ... his policies are mainstream republican party and he's been the gop darling for some time.  perhaps republican voters simply think he's too young and inexperienced?

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    Or maybe people are beginning to see him (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 09:03:43 PM EST
    for what he is, a dishonest money grubbing empty suit with a thin veneer coating over a large amount of cotton candy fluff.

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    I'm goin with the second choice (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 09:06:57 PM EST
    GOOGLE THEREMIN (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 05:25:53 PM EST
    Stop what you're doing and play this Google Doodle theremin

    Today would have been theremin virtuoso Clara Rockmore's 105th birthday, and Google is celebrating the milestone by presenting a playable version of the famous instrument as today's Doodle.

    Seriously
    I played with the thing for like a hour

    LINK

    good good good good vibrations.. (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 06:07:34 PM EST
    and where would so many B horror/scifi movies have been without a theremin?

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    Clara Rockmore (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 06:54:20 PM EST
    After about 2 hours (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 06:59:59 PM EST
    I managed a passable version of this.

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    Lord help me, I gave in and turned on the Dem (none / 0) (#99)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 09, 2016 at 09:37:44 PM EST
    debate. It is the Univision-CNN debate, so it is a little different. Questions in Spanish, lots of immigration questions. No really new policy answers, but Clinton had a heartfelt moment with a woman whose husband has been deported, that is there with her children and asked a question about how the candidates would help get her husband back.

    Twitter is full of Bernie's brown suit. At least there is equality now with people talking about the man's clothes.

    That's about all of note...I'm not going to watch the whole thing.

    I just wrote a long post on it (none / 0) (#103)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 03:31:17 AM EST
    from reading the transcript. I didn't even know it was on.

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    The now infamous (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 09:52:40 AM EST
    Rubio "rally" in an empty sports stadium photo

    Poor little Marco.   He should have brought that great big chair to sit in.

    The Rubio rats are fleeing (none / 0) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 04:07:07 PM EST
    He's still got a big decision to make in the coming days. Does he bail out, or does he think he can win Florida before dropping. There is a choice as to when but the ultimate choice is inevitable.

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    Hard to imagine he won't get out (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 04:29:45 PM EST
    Before losing.   But he has not been particularly politically astute so far.

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    So, WHO really is the interrupter? (none / 0) (#114)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 05:55:12 PM EST
    It's not even close - Sanders has interrupted Clinton more than 3 times as many times as she has interruoted him.

    I hope she dumps (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 05:56:50 PM EST
    Any future debates.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 06:12:54 PM EST
    think there are any more. I think they are done and Sanders has not helped himself in these debates so he should be glad they are over too.

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    There are possibly (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 10, 2016 at 06:16:55 PM EST
    At least three more

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    Too late (none / 0) (#119)
    by Nemi on Fri Mar 11, 2016 at 06:09:08 AM EST
    ... as the meme has already been established: she interrupts him ALL THE TIME! Or as the article quotes: "Clinton had been rude in interrupting to begin with."

    Actually, what noone seems to notice re the now infamous exchange, he butted in first with his

    Well, I -- If you are talking about the Wall Street bailout, where some of your friends destroyed this economy ...

    Oh well, at least he didn't do it mid-sentense, so I guess that gives him a pass? Or something.

    Still, good to see someone is keeping track. :)

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    Site Violator (none / 0) (#122)
    by Nemi on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 07:04:28 AM EST