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Las Vegas Shooter Update

There's been all sorts of news updates on Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock over the weekend, none of which seem to offer a clue into his behavior.

One worthwhile interview I saw was that of Steve Wynn, the billionaire owner of many Las Vegas hotels. (Corrected: He built the Mirage but no longer owns it.) He said his staff was very familiar with both Paddock and Marilou Danley and they were as "vanilla" as could be -- no flags at all.

He says Paddock didn’t run up debts or have a gambling problem. Wynn said butlers, waiters and massage employees knew Paddock and his girlfriend.

The main thrust of his interview was the difference in security tactics at the Mirage and other hotels. [More...]

A few questions I have: He did not check into the suite on Thursday. It wasn't available until Saturday. So he stayed in another room until then.

A person who has seen Mandalay Bay hotel records that have been turned over to investigators said Wednesday they show Stephen Paddock asked for the two-room suite on the 32nd floor when he checked in last Thursday. The room wasn’t available until Saturday and he moved into it then and opened fire from it the next night, killing dozens and wounding hundreds. A person who has seen Mandalay Bay hotel records that have been turned over to investigators said Wednesday they show Stephen Paddock asked for the two-room suite on the 32nd floor when he checked in last Thursday. The room wasn’t available until Saturday and he moved into it then and opened fire from it the next night, killing dozens and wounding hundreds.

If he moved rooms on Saturday, the issue of housekeeping not entering his room seems to be a dead one. The hotel clearly knew a safety check was not needed as he was alive and able to move rooms. If he was only in the shooting suite from Saturday until Sunday, I doubt a do not disturb sign would raise a red flag.

This raises a question to me: Did he wait until Saturday to bring in his weapons and tools, or did he bring them to his first room and then move them to the shooting suite on Saturday. Surely the hotel's video cameras would show that.

Also investigators would have searched his first room as well. While the room would have been cleaned for the next guest, did the housekeepers or next guest find anything unusual to report?\

Wynn phrases the question of motive a little differently, and I think the distinction is significant. Instead of asking what his motive was, he asks what message he was trying to send by his acts:

“This is a man who behaved rationally, privately, a little introverted, liked to play video poker. But he was a rational man. And every historical review of his behavior indicates that he was a rational man; so was his girlfriend. And yet he prepared over an extended period of time, a totally irrational act.

“Now, this sounds like someone either totally demented -- a behavior which he never evidenced -- or someone who's sending a message. This is a plan. We don't know what that message is or if there is one, but this behavior, according to my employees, is as stunning, as unexpected as anybody, any of them have ever met.

One comment of Wynn's seemed to be out of the blue, which suggests to me he has a lot of inside information from law enforcement that we don't have. He mentioned that in his hotel, guests are not allowed to use the service elevators unaccompanied by some member of the staff. Why would he just throw that in unless he had information that either Paddock (or a visitor to his room) had used the service elevator? Is that how he moved his suitcases from the first suite to the next? Or is that how the female who may have visited him arrived or left?

In the Marilou Danley department, Philippine news reported over the weekend that her faith-healer brother, Reynaldo Bustos, who gave an interview to ABC (warning: autoplay video) has not been seen since Thursday. His wife says someone came and picked him up and he never returned. Is he in hiding or was he kidnapped? (He practices hilot, the ancient Filipino art of healing, and herbal medicine.)

I personally think Marilou had nothing to do with the shooting plot but I wonder why Paddock gave her a ticket to the Philippines rather than Australia. She left the Philippines in the 1970's with her daughter and moved to Australia. She married a man name Darcy (a boxer 30 years older than her who died in 2003). They divorced in the 1980's and she moved to the U.S. in 1989 or 1990 and has lived here ever since. Her brother said she had not been back to the Philippines since 2012. He said the money he wired her was for a business, not a home. She told authorities it was for a home, although she didn't say it was for a home in the Philippines.
He and she don't speak the same language, so that might account for that difference, but still, whose account was the money wired to? Did she even have a bank account in the Philippines? Did she have a bank account in Hong Kong, and go there to deposit the funds or retrieve them?

What was the point of the Las Vegas Police in its interview on 60 minutes? The departmenet would not have sent four cops unless it wanted to get a message out. I don't believe for a minute the cop who claimed he could read the note on the "nightstand" and that he saw it contained numbers he recognized as height distances and shooting calculations. Either he learned that afterwards, or it's a lie, the numbers were something else (like phone numbers) and the police wanted this version of the note out there so as not to tip off anyone whose phone numbers were on the paper.

The FBI has a cryptanalysis unit called the CRRU (Cryptanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit) that specializes analyzing handwritten notes. While I personally don't trust their results (especially when they use it for drug rather than gambling records), that is the unit that will decide what his writing meant, not a local Las Vegas police officer who saw it for a few seconds or minutes. (Also, it was not on a "nightstand" but an octagonal table near his shooting set-up. It also had something on top of it, so how much of it could he see unless he picked it up to read it. Was he wearing gloves?)

ISIS continues to insist it has a connection to Paddock. I am not discounting it. Paddock had so many cameras, it seems to me he could have recorded himself shooting, and during his pause in shooting, or in the time between he stopped shooting and when police entered the room, sent the video somewhere and then erased it. I doubt he shared ISIS' reasons for attacks, I think he was sending his own message, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turned to them for guidance.

One other question I have that I haven't seen raised. The concert had been going on for hours. Jason Aldean was the last performer. I've seen reports that the shooting began during his final song. Why did he wait until the very end of the show to start shooting? How much had the crowd thinned by then? I think the "22,000" number is the number of people who attended the three day festival, not the number watching Jason Aldean at the show's end. Surely the crowd has thinned out.

As for a plan of escape, who escapes in slippers, which is what he was wearing in the photo showing his dead body? I think the Sheriff believes he was going to try and shoot his way out. He might have been able to hold police at bay for hours that way, but escape? I don't think so.

What was he doing after he shot the guard and before the police entered his room? The shooting had stopped. Was he erasing his camera footage and phone and computer contents? Destroying evidence that might identify anyone who gave him guidance?

CNN got a copy of Paddock's 2013 deposition from his slip and fall lawsuit against a casino. It doesn't tell us anything about motive.

As for what Paddock's message might have been, I have no idea. He could have been mad at the world, mad at Las Vegas, mad at the Government or any number of things.

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    Maybe.... (2.00 / 1) (#8)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:42:43 PM EST
    he was a bounty hunter for.......ISIS?

    How much is patriotism worth? 10 mil, 20, 30...?

    Sometimes, bad things happen ... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 02:16:03 PM EST
    ... for which people don't always have the answers. Other than the fact that he was obviously a very disturbed individual, we may never know the exact reason why Stephen Paddock did what he did.

    We do know, however, that he was apparently stalking Chicago's Lollapalooza Festival in August, and had demanded a room overlooking the Grant Park venue when he booked his reservation with the Blackstone Hotel.

    So, I think we can surmise that Paddock wasn't mad at Las Vegas or country music, specifically. Rather, he sounds like a very calculating individual who was seeking an opportunity to inflict maximum mayhem.

    Aloha.

    I think it is a mistake to assume (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 03:24:19 PM EST
    that Paddock, or any other mass killer, is a disturbed individual. That implies the shooter has an illness and is not totally responsible for their actions.

    Paddock was not some "heat of the moment" killer. He carefully, meticulously and over time developed a plan and worked that plan. There is no sign of disordered thinking or hallucinations or any of the symptoms associated with a disturbed person.

    I think we find what Hannah Arendt called "the banality of evil" so upsetting that we insist that all mass shooters are disturbed or mentally ill. It is like our minds cannot process plain old evil.

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    i agree (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 03:52:02 PM EST
    maybe he wanted to be famous.  maybe he just decided to go out with a bang.

    maybe he envisioned the endless speculation on "why".  "why oh why would anyone do such a thing"

    maybe he wanted to be the D.B. Cooper of mass murder.

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    experts say killers his age (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:39:57 PM EST
    don't do it for notoriety but for revenge

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    " killers his age (2.00 / 1) (#12)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:22:52 PM EST
    don't do it for notoriety but for".......a $10, 000,000 payday..........ISIS?

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    That's the second post... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:03:26 PM EST
    ...you've made posing a completely speciousconspiracy theory as a "question".  Do you have even a scintilla of evidence to support it?

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    To be fair (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:15:57 PM EST
    ISIS has said it repeatedly almost since the day of the event.  It does seem unlikely.  OTOH they say he converted recently and his brother had not seen him in several months.

    If you game it out it makes sense to me law enforcement might decide to conceal any evidence that would support that idea.  It would, even if it was true, rob ISIS of a victory and leave them looking like pathetic wannabes trying to take credit for the work of random madmen.

    To be clear I don't think it's likely.  But until we know the fact is there is one group offering a motive.

    I hope I don't get into speculation trouble here but have we been told the religion of the girl friend?  She was in the Philippines.

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    NEWSWEEK (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:21:22 PM EST
    Careful about Newsweek (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:08:46 PM EST
    It is not the Newsweek it used to be under prior owners. They have already retracted an article about Marilou that falsely claimed she was a bigamist.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:15:17 PM EST
    I have not followed this as closely as others have.  Your posts have been helpful.

    I just did a quick search of his alleged ISIS connections.  Because I had seen it for days.  While the first choice was from World Nut Daily there was a long list of other sources with that story from CBS to the GUARDIAN.

    I said in one or more of those comments it seems unlikely to me.  

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    She is Christian (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:02:23 PM EST
    and a neighbor in Nevada said she attended Mass there frequently. Her entire family is Christian. The Philippines is largely Christian.  There's also a photo of her wearing a red Santa Clause hat on her FB page.

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    Religon in the (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:07:07 PM EST
    Philippines

    The Philippines proudly boasts to be the only Christian nation in Asia. More than 86 percent of the population is Roman Catholic, 6 percent belong to various nationalized Christian cults, and another 2 percent belong to well over 100 Protestant denominations.


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    Islam (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:07:22 PM EST
    Is a small percentage but it's the second largest religion.

    That's why I asked.  Thanks for the info.

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    Pretty (none / 0) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:03:42 PM EST
    crazy talk about ISIS here. The shooter inhabited a world that is so far removed from the world of ISIS it might as well be another planet, talk about not fitting the profile.

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    everything about his motive (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:14:32 PM EST
    is speculation. Prominent ISIS journalistsat the New York Times, and researchers and analysts at  SITE and elsewhere have urged caution in dismissing ISIS's claim. ISIS has made very few false claims, (although one of them is the Manila casino shootings in June, 2017.)

    See NY Times journalist Rachel Callimachi's  Twitter thread particularly items 9 through 20 or so. One point she makes:

    My list is not complete but of the more than 50 cases I have annotated, I could only find 3 false claims.



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    Other terrorist experts have ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 08:18:24 PM EST
    ... pointed out that ISIS has recently begun to make false claims in order to stay relevant and to inspire it's dwindling number of members and new recruits:

    Islamic State's Claim of Responsibility for Las Vegas Shooting Confounds Experts

    ISIS Is Not Known for Falsely Taking Credit for Attacks--Until Recently

    ISIS has offered not a single bit of evidence to back up its claim about Paddock, not have the authorities found any evidence at all tying ISIS to Paddock.  There's also no evidence of ISIS paying Paddock millions of dollars - or $5.


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    C'mon. Everybody knows (none / 0) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 08:44:12 PM EST
    he was paid by George Soros. I read it on the interwebs or intertubes.

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    Why is it that they fixate (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 06:33:49 AM EST
    on Soros so much?

    The whole intolerable 'traitor to his class' thing?

    Goerge Soros and the New World Order sounds like a sxties garage band.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#4)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:11:26 PM EST

    Not sick.  Just evil.

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    I don't think there's much doubt (none / 0) (#5)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:17:20 PM EST
    that Jared Loughner was psychotic. And there seems to be a lot of evidence that James Holmes was as well.

    With people like Paddock, we're still left with the question as to why some people are not only are utterly bereft of any sense of empathy or soildarity with their fellow humans, but also how and why that lack of empathy morphs into such active, murderous hostility.

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    that's why they are looking at (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:50:02 PM EST
    undiagnosed illnesses.

    He reportedly couldn't pass the pilot's license renewal test for medical reasons and his license expired around 2010.

    He was also allergic to many pills and was unable to renew his pilot's license -- he had flown planes since he was a teenager -- because he could not take the pills needed to reduce his blood pressure.

    He was also a germaphobe (but apparently had no problem touching the screens of video poker games in the casino -- odd.)

    Much of his background is coming from his brother. Remains to be seen how trustworty it is.

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    Maryilou Danley reportedly said (none / 0) (#16)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:50:04 PM EST
    that Paddock would sometimes lie in bed and scream. Was he having hallucinations?  Was he an undiagnosed schizophrenic?  

    According to NBC News, Marilou Danley told federal investigators that Paddock would sometimes lie in bed and scream.
    �She said he would lie in bed, just moaning and screaming, �Oh, my God,'� a former FBI official who had been briefed on the case told the news outlet.

    Danley also reportedly said her boyfriend was displaying �mental health symptoms,� but the report does not specify what symptoms exactly.
    As CrimeOnline previously reported, Paddock was prescribed an anti-anxiety medication in June of this year.


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    I don't buy that (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:22:01 PM EST
    it wasn't in her lawyer's statement. It comes from an anonymous law enforcement source.

    As to the Valium, he only had two prescriptions for it in over a year, the last one being months ago. It was for 50 10 mg pills. (According to records of the Nevada state prescription data monitoring database which is supposed to be confidential -- I'd like to see an investigation of who leaked it it to Las Vegas paper.) No one knows if he even took them, and Casino owner Steve Winn said he's not a drinker. He also said in a deposition he doesn't drink and gamble -- since everything he bought was paid for with his gambling cards at the hotels, they surely would have records of drinks he ordered. While using Valium and drinking is not recommended, it should be noted that Valium is prescribed to alcoholics undergoing withdrawal (which he was not.)

    There's a  Finnish study that found young males who committed big crimes may have taken valium. For someone his age, I think it's more likely it would put him to sleep,  not make him crazy. How many people here have never taken a valium in their lives? Billions of valium are prescribed yearly by Roche and probably billions more of generics. Has there ever been a mass killing committed by someone under the influence of only Valium?

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    Very detail filled article in LAT. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 08:25:31 PM EST
    Many of the people interviewed stated Paddock was a drinker.

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    my experience (none / 0) (#49)
    by linea on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 08:51:30 PM EST
    "When people say aggressive behavior can be related to Valium, they're usually talking about very, very young people or the elderly. In them, it can cause something called delirium--basically someone becomes disinhibited and confused, which then might make them aggressive," Yupei Hu, a psychiatrist at the Center for Anxiety and Related Disorders at Boston University. [tonic.vice.com]

    fifty 10mg pills sounds like `take 1 or 1/2 as needed.' maybe for sleap complaints. a prescription for anxiety would typically be 5mg or 10mg - 3x daily (90 count) or 4x daily (120 count) with authorization for 3 months or 6 months of refills.

    anti-anxiety medication (benzos) are the opposite of `planning a terrorist attack.' they make you less inclined to do your homework and more inclined to chat with people and to eat chocolate cake and chunky monkey icecream.


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    Many of those video poker games (none / 0) (#20)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:04:13 PM EST
    are built into the bar, and you can play there too, while sitting down.   Maybe he used gloves.  My grandmother used gloves playing the one armed bandits when she passed through Reno.

    Years ago I knew Steve Wynn, the owner of Mandalay Resort, where this horrible event happened, back when he first started in Las Vegas.  He used to come ski in Aspen, and finally got quite good.  He is a great guy

    Excellent sleuth like ideas Jeralyn.

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    Thanks, Fishcamp (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:50:44 PM EST
    I met him once as well, but I think it was in Las Vegas, not Aspen, and only for a minute.  

    I don't think he owns the Mandalay Bay -- that's owned by MGM -- in his interview he says this would never have happened at one of his hotels. But I was wrong to describe him as the owner of the Mirage -- he sold it in 2000 to what is now known as MGM Resorts International.   Currently both the Mandalay and Mirage are owned by MGM. His resorts are now called "Wynn Resorts." Here's his Wikipedia page and the page for Wynn Resorts..

    Two other interesting things about him: He has been officially blind since 2010.  He was diagnosed in 1971 with retinitis pigmentosa, which causes gradual vision loss. In 2013, he gave $25 million to the University of Iowa to fund stem cell research into a cure  for degenerative eye diseases.

    He's also a lifelong Republican and current finance chairman for the Republican party.

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    Sorry I was thinking of the (none / 0) (#47)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 08:02:15 AM EST
    Mandalay Ranch in Aspen that was owned by Peter Guber who is famous for a long line of popular Hollywood films.  I've been out of the film business too long.  I've been in the hurricane business too long as well.  They can scramble the mind.

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    I'll agree with you, to a point. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:01:38 PM EST
    Why do people tend to equate mental illness with hallucinations, disordered thinking or insanity? Since like any other illness, mental illness can present itself in varying degrees, it only follows that one can be a disturbed individual without also being dysfunctional or antisocial.

    Hannah Arendt was correct about "the banality of evil." When evil is personified, it's rarely offered to us in caricature form like a live-action Snidely Whiplash. More often than not, we are first disarmed by the person's apparent normality or even banality.

    People who knew the serial killers Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy recounted being taken in by their sociability, and not having a clue as to what was ultimately in store for their victims.

    But that said, and speaking for myself only, I think that one doesn't have to hallucinate or have disorderly thinking to nevertheless be disturbed. Personally, I believe that anyone who deliberately contemplates, plots and carries out the mass slaying of large numbers of people in public can rightly be described as very disturbed.

    Of course, Stephen Paddock likely knew right from wrong. So, too, did Omar Mateen, the Pulse Nightclub shooter. At the end, for whatever their reasons, they just didn't care.

    Aloha.

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    The "just evil" non-explanation (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:40:22 PM EST
    seems like a kind of despairing mental giving up to me.

    What did that bad boy Lord Byron say? "Where there is mystery, people often attribute evil."

    i dont agree at all (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:05:03 PM EST
    i think we to often avoid considering it because the idea that someone can simply be a bad seed somehow reflects on the enitre human race we so love to see as all well meaning if sometimes lost soles.

    i had also wondered about health issues.  brain tumors or some mental break.  but its been in process for a long time.  a lot of thought went into it.  its said he intended to escape so complete lucidity seems unlikely at the end.

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    So what does that mean? (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:32:57 PM EST
    we stop trying to figure out what's really going on with people like Paddock, because there are just these bad seeds out there that crop up occasionally and there's nothing anyone can do about? Shit happens and that's all we know and ever need to know?

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    Not suggesting (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:41:48 PM EST
    We "stop" trying to do anything except perhaps project motives because it makes us feel better to think he "had to be crazy"

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    Feel good.. (none / 0) (#17)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:55:33 PM EST
    of course, you could say the same thing about the "bad seed" theory. The unspoken part of that equation being there are these bad seeds out there and I'm not one of them.

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    Unspoken? (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:06:07 PM EST
    How's this

    I'm not one of them.

    But I know they exist.  Not all crazy people are evil and not all evil people are crazy.

     

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    All I'm saying is we have to (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:38:05 PM EST
    to look at these people very closely on a case-by-case basis.

    It's a little early yet to simply label Paddock a bad seed who somehow kept his evil in check for sixty years.

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    Any New News About His Real Estate Dealings? (none / 0) (#10)
    by RickyJim on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 04:59:21 PM EST
    There is plenty of opportunity of being hopelessly in debt or involved in racketeering in that area, as we all know.  I have seen nothing about how he fared when the bubble burst in 2007.

    Found this earlier today: (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 05:43:27 PM EST
    Another Angle is the Autopsy (none / 0) (#22)
    by RickyJim on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 06:15:50 PM EST
    The article indicates that the real estate investigation is ongoing.

    The 1966 Austin tower shooter, Charles Whitman, was found to have a pecan sized tumor in his brain, although it wasn't established it caused his acts.  I assume Paddock had an autopsy but I haven't read about it yet.

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    A developing but as yet (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 07:40:02 PM EST
    undiagnosed brain tumor is exactly what I was thinking.

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    Concussions from HS football. (none / 0) (#43)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 10:32:57 PM EST
    jk. He was on the tennis team.

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    the sheriff said today in an interview (none / 0) (#50)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 09:30:01 PM EST
    with the LVRJ that the autopsy showed no brain abnormalities.

    Doctors have begun Paddock's autopsy, and as of Tuesday, an examination of his brain revealed no abnormalities, the sheriff said. He did not have any information about Paddock's toxicology results.


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    Just because someone can come up with (none / 0) (#41)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 09, 2017 at 08:36:58 PM EST
    a detailed plan doesn't mean they are normal.  

    For all we know, this is a person who thought accumulating a small fortune would get him some kind of recognition - and when it didn't, decided to put together a plan to show people just how smart and skilled he is.

    Remember, this is someone it is believed planned to escape - meaning, he intended to survive this attack, and be able to get his fill of people talking about him and marveling at his arsenal and his plan.

    Maybe he was a nobody who thought he deserved to be a somebody, and this is how he decided to do that.

    An out-of-shape 60 plus (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 06:26:40 AM EST
    year old guy was going to machine gun 500 people from the 32nd floor and then escape how exactly?

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    The fact that the escape plan (if real) (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Peter G on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 05:40:25 PM EST
    was not a rational one, or not likely to succeed, is hardly evidence that this guy didn't formulate it.

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    Who the heck knows - but according to (none / 0) (#46)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 10, 2017 at 07:00:04 AM EST
    Time:

    The gunman who killed 58 people in the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history targeted aviation fuel tanks, stockpiled his car with explosives and had personal protection gear as part of an escape plan, the Clark County sheriff said Monday.


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    planning for an escape (none / 0) (#51)
    by pitachips on Wed Oct 11, 2017 at 10:35:57 AM EST
    Doesn't necessarily mean he thought he would survive. Perhaps the escape was just so he could kill others away from the location of the initial attack.  

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    perhaps being 60 plus... (none / 0) (#52)
    by linea on Wed Oct 11, 2017 at 07:38:47 PM EST
    An out-of-shape 60 plus
    by jondee
    year old guy was

    is perhaps why he fired the weapons for 8 to 10 minutes and stopped.

    he was trying to control a bump-stock fitted rifle while being subjected to the loud report of a rifle fired indoors. the room was filling with smoke and gun powder. the gun was heating up and barrel glowing orange. the first gun jams and he restarts with a second gun... i would imagine it to be exhausing.

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