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More Incompetence: Spicer Confuses Orlando and Atlanta

By Jeralyn, Section Trump Administration
Posted on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 07:56:00 AM EST
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The last terrorist attack in Atlanta was in 1996 -- it was committed by homegrown terrorist Eric Rudolph. But don't tell Sean Spicer, who mentioned Atlanta attacks three times in two press statements in two days. Now he says he obviously meant Orlando when he said Atlanta.

Loose lips sink ships. The Trump Administration is filled with dangerous neophytes, from the occupant of the Oval office on down, who don't know their as* from their elbow (as my grandmother used to say).

I'm purposely ignoring his counselor who got counseled yesterday because in my view, she is now officially the most unimportant person in America and I refuse to expend keystrokes on her.

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    Why do you call Rudolph a "homegrown" (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 09:16:14 AM EST
    terrorist? Whitewash! Listen to Tr*mp, and don't be too "politically correct" or afraid to use the correct terminology:  Rudolph was a "radical, white, Christian, misogynist terrorist." Now, that makes it better, doesn't it?

    Yes, Eric Rudolph (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40:30 PM EST
    was a white, Christian religious extremism who bombed abortion clinics and gay bars, and, of course, the 1996 Atlanta Olympics.  Rudolph used nails in his bombs for shrapnel, to augment their lethal results.  And, then, there was Eric's brother, Daniel, who made a supportive video to send a message to the media and FBI, of him sawing off his hand with a radial saw.

    It is getting more and more difficult to discern all these "Massacres,"  ...Atlanta, Bowling Green, Saturday Night.  

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    The Nordstroms Massacre... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 01:14:45 PM EST
    The 9th Circuit Massacre, the Chaffetz Town Hall Massacre...Trump is losing so much he must be sick of it! I've never seen so much losing.  Sad.

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    Most Americans (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 03:28:59 PM EST
    who voted for Trump believe the Bowling Green Massacre justified the travel ban from seven Muslim majority countries.   As for that disgusting Ninth Circuit Court we will see them in so called Court.

      And, Chaffetz, demonstrated to his Town Hallers  that he massacred his deep well of integrity, so painstakingly built up by his Benghazi investigations, by voting for Trump after being so disgusted by Trump's pussy grabbing that he said he would not be able to look his daughter in the eye if he endorsed Trump,

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    Better (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:15:53 PM EST
    link. First one disappeared.

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    Melissa McCarthy back as Spicer (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 12, 2017 at 08:19:29 AM EST
    Funny as he//, but a little too close to reality.

    "The Massacre at Fraggle Rock!"

    Site Violator (none / 0) (#2)
    by Nemi on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 07:13:15 AM EST


    May Sean Spicer be forever condemned ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 01:56:44 PM EST
    ... to walk from Concourse T to Concourse F (or vice versa) at Atlanta Int'l Airport in a vain effort to make his connecting flight.

    That place is a madhouse (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 03:14:42 PM EST
    Buses to take you from terminal to terminal....LAX is icky but at least manageable.

    Maui....nice.  The nose of the airplane pokes into the gift shop.

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    A madhouse with smoking rooms... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 03:31:04 PM EST
    No better place for a nicotine junkie to have a layover or delay than Hot 'Lanta!  It's my favorite airport in the country.

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    You can have it. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 04:30:51 PM EST
    The U.S. customs checkpoint at ATL was the worst experience I've ever endured upon re-entering the country, simply because they were understaffed at key points in the process.

    Last time, when were were returning from South Africa, it took us 2.5 hours to clear customs and we missed our connecting flight to LAX. Already inefficient, one can only imagine what ATL's international  arrivals will turn into with enhanced immigration checkpoints under the Trump administration.

    I'm not a fan of big airports, generally. LAX and SFO I can tolerate, and that's only because I've flown in and out of both of them so often that I'm very familiar with their layouts and know exactly here to go. But ATL, PHX, ORD and DFW are my least favorite major airports.

    For my money, the best big airport for its size is in your neck of the woods, JFK, because it's well-marked and pretty easy to figure out how to get around. And Hawaiian Airlines uses the iconic Terminal 5 (aka "the TWA Terminal") designed by the great Eero Saarinen, which makes any connections with its codeshare partner JetBlue seamless. My only complaint is the airport's distance from Manhattan.

    Aloha.

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    Try Cancun airport at spring break (none / 0) (#13)
    by Towanda on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:03:01 PM EST
    . . . and I thought that nothing could be worse than O'Hare.

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    this is (none / 0) (#17)
    by linea on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 07:46:18 PM EST
    anecdotal...

    i had a friend visiting from plymouth, and one of her friends flew from the uk to hook-up with an online romance. her friend landed in ATL and was refused enty. i told my friend that GA is like that to trans people.

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    That's terrible, linea. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:16:17 PM EST
    Did she get in eventually?

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    no (none / 0) (#30)
    by linea on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:41:44 PM EST
    if you are denied entry at the airport, even for petty reasons, under the Visa Waiver Program it goes on your permanent immigration record and chances are high that you will be denied again.

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    SeaTac (none / 0) (#18)
    by jmacWA on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 05:51:42 AM EST
    Donald, surprised you did not mention SeaTac.  Clearing customs there was a snap the several times I was lucky enough to get flights on Air France from Paris to home(at the time), and avoid the Delta flights thru Atlanta.  

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    I've never had to clear customs in SEA. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:14:44 PM EST
    I've only flown domestic routes to and from there. The U.S. international gateways where I've passed through customs are HNL, LAX, SFO, JFK and ATL. I did leave for Europe once from Chicago-ORD (Lufthansa to Frankfurt), but returned to the U.S. that trip via JFK. Of those five, the quickest clearance through customs appeared to me to be JFK.

    I can't imagine what the wait times at Customs will be, if the Trumpsters clamp down on immigration.

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 12, 2017 at 01:00:55 PM EST
    We cleared customs in Atlanta coming back from Germany after Christmas and New Years slick as snot this year.

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    But Kahului (Maui) Airport's Achilles Heel ... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 04:40:47 PM EST
    ... is the security line at check-in. That airport can get terribly busy in the late afternoon and with only one TSA checkpoint, wait times of an hour or more are not at all uncommon. That's why when departing Maui, I try to avoid catching flights between 3:30-6:00 p.m.

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    Us tourists (none / 0) (#16)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:53:05 PM EST
    always on a.m. departing flights. But thanks for heads up.

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    But from Hawaii, nonstop flights ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:29:18 PM EST
    ... to destinations beyond the west coast tend to be red-eyes which depart in the late afternoon and early evening. That's to accommodate vacationers with connecting flights out of Denver, DFW, Houston, Chicago-ORD, ATL and JFK, so they can get home by noon.

    The downside for Hawaii residents is that when we travel nonstop back east on business or vacation, we arrive anywhere between 4:30 a.m. and 7:00 a.m., which is a ghastly time because most hotels don't allow you to check in until 3:00 p.m.

    ;-D

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    Haha (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 02:22:01 PM EST
    Yes, and with the people mover not working.

    Last summer coming back from Ohio I got on the international train somehow. Talk about getting stuck in the circle of hell.

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    Miami airport is no beauty (none / 0) (#15)
    by fishcamp on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:47:48 PM EST
    either.  I've been stuck at customs many times, and they speak everything but English.  It's not really quite that bad, but their Latin  accents are so strong it's difficult to understand what they're saying.  I just go with my Spanglish, and keep moving.  Their are more custom dogs in Miami than any airport I've been to, and I've seen dumb people get busted right in front of me.  I usually try to fly out of Ft. Lauderdale.

    Actually Judge, there have been (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 11:31:45 AM EST
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The federal judge who halted President Donald Trump's travel ban was wrong in stating that no one from the seven countries targeted in Trump's order has been arrested for extremism in the United States since the 2001 terrorist attacks.

    Just last October, an Iraqi refugee living in Texas pleaded guilty to attempting to provide support to the Islamic State group, accused of taking tactical training and wanting to blow himself up in an act of martyrdom. In November, a Somali refugee injured 11 in a car-and-knife attack at Ohio State University, and he surely would have been arrested had he not been killed by an officer.

    snip

    He asked a Justice Department lawyer how many arrests of foreign nationals from the countries have occurred since 9/11. When the lawyer said she didn't know, Robart answered his own question: "Let me tell, you, the answer to that is none, as best I can tell. You're here arguing on behalf of someone that says we have to protect the United States from these individuals coming from these countries and there's no support for that."

    And then we have the family thing.

    All told, Kurzman said, 23 percent of Muslim Americans involved with extremist plots since Sept. 11 had family backgrounds from the seven countries.

    Seattle Times Fact Check

    What this means is the government and its lawyers (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Green26 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 12:33:14 PM EST
    need to be more prepared. It's not up to a judge to supply the facts and evidence. It's up to the lawyers on both sides. If the government provides no evidence or affidavits, and the lawyer says he doesn't know, then, for purposes of the proceeding, there is none.

    Trump and the government need to do their homework, stop acting so arrogantly, and come in prepared. They should be held to high standards and a high degree of accountability, and they just were. Even a bad high school student could see and feel that the executive order was flawed, and would likely not stand out.

    Trump needs to start over and do it right, with the right process. Some of us won't like that order either, but it will likely stand up in court.

    I am all for more vigilance and believe ISIS et al are major threats in the world, and the US, but I feel 100 times more threatened by Trump than I do by ISIS in the US. I agree with Jeralyn. Trump and these types of policies are embarrassing. They are against everything our country stands for, and was built on.

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    I just wonder (2.00 / 1) (#25)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 07:34:02 PM EST
    What that matters to the judge.
    Is it either legal or illegal for the President to impose a temporary travel ban on specific countries.
    Why does the judge need to know specific intelligence gathered? The travel bans are meant to prevent future terrorist incidents.
    So the President must now consult judges on foreign policy, they no longer have that  power?
     

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    This is what bothers me (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:01:52 PM EST
    The travel bans are meant to prevent future terrorist incidents.

    I am tens of thousands of times more likely to be killed by a fellow native American, either drunk behind the wheel or armed with the Second Amendment than by a foreign born terrorist.  I am more likely to be killed by a toddler who finds a loaded gun than I am by a foreign terrorist.

    I do not cower in fear of these real threats, so why should we cower in fear and waste billions of taxpayer dollars over a lesser threat?  I say we accept the possibility of terrorism as the price of freedom, just as we accept 30,000 dead Americans every year as the price of the freedom of owning weapons.

    The alternative is to make cowardice the national principle, and we are well on our way to that.  There is cowardice in every statement about the "danger" of foreign terrorism.

    Hiding in a jail cell is one way to be safe, but I prefer to take my chances with liberty than to hide from the dangers it brings.  

    Do YOU believe we should live our lives in fear, or would you prefer liberty?  Choose one.

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    Bravo! (none / 0) (#31)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:50:17 PM EST
    I often wonder what it is like to live life in such fear of "the other" that the Jims of world exist. In fact, as an American, you are more likely to be killed by law enforcement than anyone from the listed countries.

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    But that isn't (none / 0) (#32)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Feb 12, 2017 at 06:19:01 AM EST
    A responsibility of the Judiciary.
    Was the Executive Order legal, does the Constitution give the President the authority to do this.

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    Trevor, it's more complicated than that (none / 0) (#35)
    by Green26 on Sun Feb 12, 2017 at 11:57:35 AM EST
    I believe the general answer to your question is that the president has this general authority, unless the order violates things like due process and religious freedom rights. I don't know if any rational basis or connection is necessary, but if there isn't any or much, then the due process, religious freedom, etc. would seem to have more merit for review. A very loose and general answer, not precise on the legal aspects.

    Other simple questions like the one you stated are: does a president have unlimited powers? Can a president ignore due process rights? Can a president discriminate on the basis of religion? Answers are, of course, no.

    Another question is can the president just deny re-entry of valid green card holders without notice or due process? The answer is clearly no.

    My own question is: what's the rush?

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    Does that mean that (none / 0) (#20)
    by ding7777 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 12:08:47 PM EST
    77 ercent of Muslim Americans involved with extremist plots since Sept. 11 had family backgrounds from countries other than the seven countries in the EO?.

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    this is off topic (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 07:19:47 PM EST


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    "Family backgrounds" (none / 0) (#33)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 12, 2017 at 07:57:51 AM EST
    Dear gawwwwdd ...

    We'd have most of the southern US on a list if we used that standard.

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